Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
More Bubble Talk
Old 05-07-2007, 06:59 AM   #1
Recycles dryer sheets
ScaredtoQuit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 151
Pundits continue to kick around the concept of a bubble in the U.S. market. Intellectually, my thoughts on this are that at this point this is being overblown. But since I am planning to get out this year, this is the absolute worse possible time for a crash for me personally. With asset classes becoming more and more correlated, please tell me why I don't have anything to worry about with my slice and dice strategies?

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/stor...5E6A4A2BF6A%7D




ScaredtoQuit is offline   Reply With Quote
Join the #1 Early Retirement and Financial Independence Forum Today - It's Totally Free!

Are you planning to be financially independent as early as possible so you can live life on your own terms? Discuss successful investing strategies, asset allocation models, tax strategies and other related topics in our online forum community. Our members range from young folks just starting their journey to financial independence, military retirees and even multimillionaires. No matter where you fit in you'll find that Early-Retirement.org is a great community to join. Best of all it's totally FREE!

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest so you have limited access to our community. Please take the time to register and you will gain a lot of great new features including; the ability to participate in discussions, network with our members, see fewer ads, upload photographs, create a retirement blog, send private messages and so much, much more!

Re: More Bubble Talk
Old 05-07-2007, 07:51 AM   #2
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
jIMOh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Milford, OH
Posts: 1,425
If you are second guessing market direction, maybe it's time for an allocation review.

How much cash are you hold, and how many years income is it?

IMO if you think you are taking on too much risk, add a year's income to your cash allocation... maybe even 2-3 years worth of cash. When I retire my goal is 7 years cash is part of allocation.
__________________
Light travels faster than sound. That is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak. One person's stupidity is another person's job security.
jIMOh is offline   Reply With Quote
Re: More Bubble Talk
Old 05-07-2007, 08:18 AM   #3
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
FinanceDude's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 9,535
Add some non-correlated investments to the mix, like international value or perhaps a commodities or gold fund in small doses...........
__________________
Consult with your own advisor or representative. My thoughts should not be construed as investment advice. Past performance is no guarantee of future results (love that one).......:)


This Thread is USELESS without pics.........:)
FinanceDude is offline   Reply With Quote
Re: More Bubble Talk
Old 05-07-2007, 08:43 AM   #4
Recycles dryer sheets
fluffy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 82
What a great article. Manages to be sensational, alarmist, bullish, bearish, and utterly useless all at once.

The "chilling explanation" in the Gartman Letter somehow draws the parallel between 10-fold rise in Nikkei in 70s-80s and the recent ~6% run in the Dow?

:

Edit: just out of curiousity I looked up the author http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Brimelow who appears to be a right-wing nut. Ugh
__________________
We come in the spirit of hostility and menace
fluffy is offline   Reply With Quote
Re: More Bubble Talk
Old 05-07-2007, 08:52 AM   #5
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
brewer12345's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 10,516
Quote:
Originally Posted by fluffy
Edit: just out of curiousity I looked up the author http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Brimelow who appears to be a right-wing nut. Ugh
NM
__________________
Margin of error within 100%
brewer12345 is online now   Reply With Quote
Re: More Bubble Talk
Old 05-07-2007, 09:08 AM   #6
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
FinallyRetired's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Virginia, and Caribbean snowbirds in winter
Posts: 1,275
Quote:
Originally Posted by fluffy
What a great article. Manages to be sensational, alarmist, bullish, bearish, and utterly useless all at once.

The "chilling explanation" in the Gartman Letter somehow draws the parallel between 10-fold rise in Nikkei in 70s-80s and the recent ~6% run in the Dow?
Agreed. If you really want to get scared, discount this type of article and look at the mother of all bubbles, the derivatives market.

"The latest estimates judge it to be worth some $236 trillion – or about eight times the GDP of the entire planet. In other words, it is a bubble larger than the world itself."

http://www.moneyweek.com/file/18497/...l-bubbles.html
__________________
When the wind changes, change tacks.
The Retiree Formerly Known as SoonToRetire (TRFKASTR)
FinallyRetired is offline   Reply With Quote
Re: More Bubble Talk
Old 05-07-2007, 04:16 PM   #7
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,543
back in 2000 most PE ratios were at least twice as high as Google's stock price. except for housing in a few areas of the US, i don't think we are in a bubble
al_bundy is offline   Reply With Quote
Re: More Bubble Talk
Old 05-07-2007, 04:25 PM   #8
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 2,536
A bubble for sure.

S&P Q1 earnings up ~12%
S&P Index up ~6%

Must be a bubble. :
__________________
I was . . . Yrs to Go. But now I'm Gone4Good.
Gone4Good is online now   Reply With Quote
Re: More Bubble Talk
Old 05-07-2007, 05:52 PM   #9
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
haha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Hooverville
Posts: 11,324
Dow has finished up 24 of last 27 days. Last time this happened was 1927.

Que pasa?

Ha
__________________
“I’ve had a perfectly wonderful evening. But this wasn’t it.”-Groucho
haha is online now   Reply With Quote
Re: More Bubble Talk
Old 05-07-2007, 05:59 PM   #10
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
MasterBlaster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 2,211
Quote:
Originally Posted by HaHa
Dow has finished up 24 of last 27 days. Last time this happened was 1927.
So then, can we infer that the second great depression is only two years away ?
MasterBlaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Re: More Bubble Talk
Old 05-07-2007, 06:02 PM   #11
Recycles dryer sheets
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 370
Quote:
Originally Posted by HaHa
Dow has finished up 24 of last 27 days. Last time this happened was 1927.

Que pasa?

Ha
Hang in there Mikey. If your comparison is correct, the Dow should just about triple before the Big Crash of 1929! - And I'll go out on a limb here, that if the Dow Triples in the next 2 years We Will have a Crash!

Cut-Throat is offline   Reply With Quote
Re: More Bubble Talk
Old 05-07-2007, 06:06 PM   #12
Full time employment: Posting here.
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 718
What a great time to buy that would be :
Mwsinron is offline   Reply With Quote
Re: More Bubble Talk
Old 05-07-2007, 06:07 PM   #13
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
chinaco's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 3,101
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cut-Throat
Hang in there Mikey. If your comparison is correct, the Dow should just about triple before the Big Crash of 1929! - And I'll go out on a limb here, that if the Dow Triples in the next 2 years We Will have a Crash!

Edit: removed image of chart
If it doubles in 2 years... I am going to cash! Hope it does. I know what to do!
__________________
Planned FIRE 2011

Disclaimer: I make no warranty or guarantee about the accuracy or completeness of this information. I am not a financial planner, my comments only represent my opinion.
chinaco is offline   Reply With Quote
Re: More Bubble Talk
Old 05-07-2007, 06:12 PM   #14
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Dawg52's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Mississippi
Posts: 4,468
For whatever its worth, I heard Warren Buffett say this morning that he thought the market was not cheap but reasonably priced. He didn't seem to be overly concerned. His main concern was to find a big company to buy.
__________________
Full time wuss............
Dawg52 is offline   Reply With Quote
Re: More Bubble Talk
Old 05-07-2007, 07:01 PM   #15
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
haha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Hooverville
Posts: 11,324
I am not making a prediction, just passing along an observation that I heard on the news on my car radio this afternoon.

I can say though, that this has been an amazing time! I bought a stock in January 2007 that I thought was reasonably priced but not a huge bargain. It has increased 50% since then!

I bought a stock 4 or 5 years ago. It puttered along increasing a bit each year all the while paying high dividends. Then suddenly this year it doubled. I sold it this morning for a 4 bagger.

I've been at this stuff for a long time, and this hasn't happened to me very often I can tell you! (I didn't do techs in the 90s, so I missed that amazing time.)

I am as puzzled as anyone, and maybe more so than most but I am not dumb enough to stand in the way of a runaway train. At least I hope not!

Ha
__________________
“I’ve had a perfectly wonderful evening. But this wasn’t it.”-Groucho
haha is online now   Reply With Quote
Re: More Bubble Talk
Old 05-07-2007, 07:42 PM   #16
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
JPatrick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,673
The warnings were loud and clear prior to the tech meltdown and you had to be totally out of touch to not see the writing on the wall as to where the housing boom was headed.
The warnings today are not nearly as loud or obvious for that matter, but they are there.
For the last 4 trading sessions I have slipped into cash ever so slowly and I plan to follow one of two plans for better or worse.
Plan A- Sell equal amounts each day until I reach my max cash position ( 70% )on May 18.
Plan B- If between now and the 18th the SPY MACD gives a clear sell signal I will go to the 70% cash position that day.

Of course I have a plan C if all goes against me, but that simply involves looking stupid.
BTW, I'm looking for a 4 to 6% correction as opposed to the end of the world.
JPatrick is offline   Reply With Quote
Re: More Bubble Talk
Old 05-07-2007, 07:45 PM   #17
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
haha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Hooverville
Posts: 11,324
Quote:
Originally Posted by JPatrick
BTW, I'm looking for a 4 to 6% correction as opposed to the end of the world.
Why bother to sell in this case? I assume this trading is in a retirement account?

Ha
__________________
“I’ve had a perfectly wonderful evening. But this wasn’t it.”-Groucho
haha is online now   Reply With Quote
Re: More Bubble Talk
Old 05-07-2007, 08:01 PM   #18
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
JPatrick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,673
Quote:
Originally Posted by HaHa
Why bother to sell in this case? I assume this trading is in a retirement account?

Ha
Why sell? To buy later 4-6% lower and earn 6.5% while waiting.
Yes most of this is in IRA's.
JPatrick is offline   Reply With Quote
Re: More Bubble Talk
Old 05-07-2007, 08:06 PM   #19
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
haha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Hooverville
Posts: 11,324
Quote:
Originally Posted by JPatrick
Why sell? To buy later 4-6% lower and earn 6.5% while waiting.
Wow! And they call me a dirty market timer!

Ha
__________________
“I’ve had a perfectly wonderful evening. But this wasn’t it.”-Groucho
haha is online now   Reply With Quote
Re: More Bubble Talk
Old 05-07-2007, 08:18 PM   #20
Moderator Emeritus
Nords's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Oahu
Posts: 18,029
Quote:
Originally Posted by HaHa
I can say though, that this has been an amazing time! I bought a stock in January 2007 that I thought was reasonably priced but not a huge bargain. It has increased 50% since then!
Last summer my nephew the Army Ranger directed my attention to Armor Holdings (AH). I started buying at $52/share. They've been scrabbling for contracts, going up nicely, making good soldier tools, meeting their targets, nothing spectacular but up to the low $60s.

This week BAE decided to buy AH. Blam!---> to $86/share.

This is happening way too often. Either we've all become brilliant investors or the tide is really really coming in. I believe valuations aren't crazy but all of our scorched tail feathers are probably starting to twitch uncomfortably again. If this keeps up we'll be up over 17% this year. I'm sitting tight but I'm shaking my head in amazement.

Abby Joseph Cohen raised her 2007 prediction this morning.

Buffett is one to talk--Berkshire stock was up 1.3% in the post-meeting euphoria. I'm sure Borsheim's is still trying to stuff the weekend sales cash in their safe.
__________________
*
*
For more info see "About Me" in my profile.
Nords is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Sizing the Housing Bubble wabmester FIRE and Money 434 04-06-2007 10:14 PM
What Real Estate Bubble? Art FIRE and Money 76 11-09-2006 02:33 PM
What did we learn from the Bubble? ats5g FIRE and Money 2 05-22-2006 08:15 AM
No Bubble for the DOW retire@40 FIRE and Money 16 06-04-2005 10:29 AM
Real Estate Bubble in D.C. - CBS News tonite.... Cut-Throat FIRE and Money 23 05-19-2005 01:44 PM


Other Social Knowledge forum communities:
Cooking Forum - Sailing Forum - Early Retirement - Airstream Trailer - Aquarium Forum - Royal Forum - Book Forum - Volkswagen Touareg Forum - Jeep Wrangler Forum - Whitewater Kayaking & Rafting Forum - Fiberglass RV Forum - RV Forum - Truck Conversion - U2 Music Forum
Investing Channel
All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:32 AM.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2010, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Click Here