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Old 02-14-2005, 08:01 AM   #41
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Sometimes I wish the
responses were a bit less strident and a bit more well
thought out. But, I just consider the source and move on.
I agree. :-/

As always, thanks for your usual "thought out" reply.

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Re: More Doom and Gloom
Old 02-14-2005, 09:26 AM   #42
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I agree with John. In order to compete on a world wide market our labor force will have to be competitively priced
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Old 02-14-2005, 10:03 AM   #43
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Someone has to defend all of the greedy executives.... The government can't employ all of you.

Government vs. corporate is not the only possible dichotomy that can apply. Another possibility is big vs. small. Big entities (whether government or corporate) benefit from certain economies of scale not enjoyed by small entities. But they sometimes lack an understanding of the small picture--the details of the job that needs to be done, the ability to put a human face on the downside of a particular decision.
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Old 02-14-2005, 10:20 AM   #44
 
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Knew a kid in grade school named Leaonard. Just like John Galt. Really thought he was smarter than the rest of the world. Everytime he opened his mouth, the rest of the class would groan. Always had a snide answer. Nevewr without a put down.

Don't know what happened to him, just assume he's heading up some county Republican party somewhere.

JG's biggest problem, besides his huge ego and unpopularity, is not his wingnut politics; it's his utter lack of empathy for other people. He'll deny it, but it comes through loud and clear everytime he makes some wiseass remark.

Or, on second thought, maybe that is the substance of his wingnut politics.

Is that "thought out" enough for you??
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Old 02-14-2005, 10:29 AM   #45
 
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This is mostly for rockpile. My ex. opined that I thought I was smarter than everyone else.
Could be the most insight she ever displayed.

Also, you are wrong about the empathy. Like Rush Limbaugh under my rough exterior I am a big loveable
fuzz ball. I just don't suffer fools lightly, and I see
a lot of them.

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Old 02-14-2005, 10:44 AM   #46
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This is mostly for rockpile. *My ex. opined that I thought I was smarter than everyone else.
Could be the most insight she ever displayed. *

Also, you are wrong about the empathy. *Like Rush Limbaugh under my rough exterior I am a big loveable
fuzz ball. * I just don't suffer fools lightly, and I see
a lot of them.


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Old 02-14-2005, 11:57 AM   #47
 
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I do agree that being CEO is hard and that he/she isn't always told all of the information regarding what is going on - however, I think it is up to them to find out. Egregious cases like Enron and Worldcom are cases in which the CEO should "go down with the ship." Also, the point regarding setting a corporate tone and culture is dead-on. What will or will not be tolerated is what a CEO projects.

Being the CEO is a onely position and he/she needs to guard against the 'insulation' of the people around them and their agendas. To me it's just scary that the CEO would get a free pass based on ignorance.

John Galt, I do understand your position, however, I would hope that you would not use that type of defense if ever in that position. You strike me as a much more responsible person :-)

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Old 02-14-2005, 12:09 PM   #48
 
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Well, thank you Bridget. I may get in some trouble
yet, but doubt it would be that type as I am happily retired and expect to remain so. As far as the
"I didn't know about it defense", whether you believe it or not or maybe just find it distasteful, it may be the only one the poor guy has. Thus, he kind of has to go with it. Or, I guess he could plead guilty. Sorry, but I
have a lot of empathy for these guys. I also believe that
many prosecutors tend to hit the high profile types especially hard (think Martha Stewart). I was talking to my attorney once
(forget the issue). He told me something I never forgot.
He said, "Always remember, in the eyes of most employees and the government generally, you are the
evil big guy." I was shocked. I saw myself as someone
who created jobs and paid taxes, thus helping the community in a very positive way. Turns out he was
right. Envy?

JG

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Old 02-14-2005, 03:03 PM   #49
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I was never close to a CEO or CFO of corporation but.....I did spend 33 years before ER in Operations for a Fortune 500 company. My last 5 years as Director (retired in 2003) were the most exciting and the most depressing of my career. I finally got sick of being the carrier of bad news to people that had devoted their life for the "company". My only regret of my entire career was that I did not tell my VP and all of the rest of the "good olé boys" they were wrong and stuck to my story - regardless of the consequences. When the corporate culture got into the quarterly competition for earnings and the "out of the box" crap - most coming from people that little or no experience in our industry, it was a three ring circus. I try to be an optimist, but have to admit that the present leadership of most corps and government is depressing.
We became the most productive and progressive (liberal word) country in the world with true leadership - these days there is a vacuum, however at some point I believe the pendulum will swing back and hopefully we can move ahead.
JG - Remember arrogance is not a virtue, we all have enough problems that a little compassion is always a "good thing".

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Old 02-14-2005, 03:06 PM   #50
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I think owning up to your deliberate misdeeds has some potential.

And Martha Stewart asked for it. She's lucky all she got was a short stretch. And apparently a tv deal out of *that*.
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John Galt, I must grudgingly admit you take criticism in a goodnatured way.

Shows some character. I admit the current Democratic party leaves a lot to be desired. But, Good Lord man, can't you see the neocons are just fascists in Brooks Brothers suits?

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Old 02-15-2005, 12:12 AM   #52
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One Example of the Joseph Stalin School of Management :

"Power is Truth" = Well, management must be right, or why else would they be in power!

I escaped from the corporate Gulag. *My ER is my solitary victory over flaming, egotistical meglomaniacs by digging my way under the camp with a spoon and a very frugal lifestyle. *For those idealogues that believe that somehow this country is enriched by those %$#*&! that run most of the major corporations as if they were personal fiefdoms, I invite you to return to the gulag and celebrate your economic philosphy and inherent intellectual superiority over a luke warm bowl of gruel and lard, and on the odd day, a delightful side compliment consiting of a crust of dark bread. *

"Welcome Back, Oh Hero and Champion of the Corporate Collective"...........We all knew you would return to the Mother Land. * * *


(I, on the other hand, will continue my life on the edges of the collective as an ER without a company propiska in my domestic passport. I guess I am just another unwashed peasant, but I am at least self made and self directed.) 8)
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Old 02-15-2005, 05:09 AM   #53
 
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Hello LEX!
I get a bit cranky myself sometimes at 4 a.m.

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Old 02-15-2005, 11:36 AM   #54
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JG:

I am in Rome this week. Travel makes me wake up at odd times. I will always be a cranky guy, but I do know how to have a good time despite the affliction. Perhaps one cure is my wife. They say you are only as young as the woman you feel.

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Len,

Sounds like Rome is really getting to you in a touchy-feely-pinchy way.

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HI LEX. "Only as young as the woman you feel."
That's a good one. Never heard it.

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Old 02-16-2005, 04:12 PM   #57
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JG:

The quote is attributed to Groucho Marx during one of his quips on "You Bet Your Life". *My wife questions why I bring a lap top on trips. *I tell her its the only way I can manage our funds so that we can afford the odd trip. *(It is really so I can maintain radio contact with the ER underground!) 8)

Bum:

I am thinking about designing a line of kevlar womens fashions. Perhhaps teflon. There is a pinch factor, especially on the trams. I suppose Italian guys like to see whats ripe and what hits back (albiet with a nice leather purse). The concept of personal space is very different in the old country. There really is a street scene for the gals here.*No need for computer dating in Italy. Just open your window, pick your date and let your opinions be heard!

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Lex,

Disclaimer: (CHP) Cocktail hour post. Attsa-my-boy Lex ...You go goomba! Design that kevlar unpinchable booty bra!
It 'll probably go the way of the Nehru jacket and clamdiggers but I'd be glad to sign up to help with the test marketing.


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I am in Rome this week. Travel makes me wake up at odd times. *I will always be a cranky guy, but I do know how to have a good time despite the affliction. *Perhaps one cure is my wife. *They say you are only as young as the woman you feel. *
WooHoo!!! I am planning to meet my military daughter in Rome this summer, God willing and the creek don't rise (an Indiana phrase). I hope it's as much fun for us gals.
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Leave your unpinchable kevlar undies at home and it might.

Indeed the "old countries" are a little different. I was in greece about 15 years ago with my petite girlfriend. A couple of the local greek boys wandered by and saw her standing alone. One of them thought she was cute so he picked her up and started carrying her off.

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