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Old 01-12-2008, 07:33 AM   #1
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Most Overprice Cars and trucks here in America!

America-s-Most-Overpriced-Vehicles- Yahoo! Autos Article Page

Not a surpise here, 13 are American made SUV or Trucks and one sedan. 1 Nissan and a Mazda Ford re badge.

Go ahead buy one. No wonder american car makers are going the way of the DODO!
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Old 01-12-2008, 09:15 AM   #2
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America-s-Most-Overpriced-Vehicles- Yahoo! Autos Article Page

Not a surpise here, 13 are American made SUV or Trucks and one sedan. 1 Nissan and a Mazda Ford re badge.

Go ahead buy one. No wonder american car makers are going the way of the DODO!

Newguy, is there anything you like about America? One negative thread after another, why not move to the middle east.
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Newguy, is there anything you like about America? One negative thread after another, why not move to the middle east.
On top of that Newguy, have you ever thought of actually contributing something to the forum instead of just trolling?
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On top of that Newguy, have you ever thought of actually contributing something to the forum instead of just trolling?
Lets see now I have a thread in the Health section about how much we are running now. How long is it?

Please, We all know the american auto industry is well stinko and hey so what IF I POSTED this topic. Ya don't like IGNORE! Nords and other closed minded here on the forum do just that.

Thought it might be an interesting topic to discuss. But better to call someone a troll.

Again as I have said here over the years, I have never called anyone names, never been disrespectful to any here.

You might be retired but man grow the heck up!
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Newguy, is there anything you like about America? One negative thread after another, why not move to the middle east.
Plenty and you know it. However look around this great land of ours, the flowers are well wilting.
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Go ahead buy one. No wonder american car makers are going the way of the DODO!
We did. Five years ago we bought a Buick and a full-size 4WD GMC pickup truck. They replaced GM vehicles that were 14 and 18 years old respectively.
The reliability of the old ones was fine, we think we got our nickel's worth, and the new ones are running fine.

We like GM stuff because they have the ergonomics down. It "fits my butt". Others feel awkward and therefore uncomfortable.

Your mileage may vary.

Hey, even Rolls Royce makes a lemon once in a while. I read about some baseball player who bought a Rolls that kept breaking down on him so he sold it and bought a Chevy that he liked because "it always starts".
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Lets see now I have a thread in the Health section about how much we are running now. How long is it?

Please, We all know the american auto industry is well stinko and hey so what IF I POSTED this topic. Ya don't like IGNORE! Nords and other closed minded here on the forum do just that.
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I'd say recovering is the term I would use.

If you think nothing is changing I suggest you try driving a Saturn Aura, Chevrolet Malibu, GMC Acadia, etc. They have learned their lesson.

If they could just get rid of the UAW they would really be better off.

(full Disclosure) - Before FinanceDude calls me on it, yes I do drive a BMW. But I am still impressed with what we're starting to turn out here.
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Heh, my Merkin car (Indiana) is up to 115k and runs like a top. Of course, Subarus usually do...

Seriously, if you look at the data, US automakers are improving quality while Toyota and Nissan have been slipping. Next time out, I would consider a Merkin badged car, but they keep killing off their station wagon models (Ford killed the apparently quite nice Focus wagon for '08, for example).
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Well, I actually read the article.

They measure "over-priced" by the difference between window sticker and the actual price the typical buyer pays.

That doesn't mean that buyers are paying "too much" for the car. It means that the manufacturer is setting an unrealistic MSRP for today's market and needs to discount heavily to make sales.

As expected, the list is lead by low-mileage vehicles that are getting hurt by high gas prices. Manufacturers avoid dropping MSRPs in those cases, so they are putting in incentives to move inventory.

The article has a second filter before a car gets on the list. If it gets good grades on JD Powers and CR surveys, it won't be called "over-priced", regardless of what people pay. So no Lexus can be "over-priced" if the owners think its a pretty good car.

The only take-away I have from this article is that if I were planning to buy one of their "over-priced" cars, I would be aware that most other people are paying a lot less than sticker, and bargain accordingly. Of course, in practice I'd look at Edmunds.com and CarsDirect.com to get an idea of the market for the car I was considering.
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Next time out, I would consider a Merkin badged car, but they keep killing off their station wagon models (Ford killed the apparently quite nice Focus wagon for '08, for example).
Yet Ford came out with a new wagon in 2005, the Freestyle, which they renamed this year as the Taurus X. Seems to be getting reasonably good reviews. I gave it serious consideration but the local dealers were very proud of them and I ended up getting a much better buy on a Honda Pilot. Go figure...
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My 1998 Taurus runs great and the only repair to date is a set of ignition wires. I changed them myself for about $55.00, not too bad for 10 years.
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Fords have a very good reliability reputation here in Europe. One of the reasons I got my Mondeo was it's reliability rating. The models are a bit different, more Euro styled and they're tuned more for European driving (tighter, not as soft).

They sell the Focus wagon here. Very nice. Wagons of all brands are very popular here.

They sell quite a few different Ford car models here. The Focus, Mondeo, C-MAX, S-MAX, Fusion, Fiesta and Ka.

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My last 3 cars have all been Toyotas. I drive my cars until someone steals them or a little old lady hits me (totaled 8 year old corolla) on her way back to get her traffic school certificate that she forgot to pick up. (No kidding). My last car (Camry) had 325,000 miles on it. It was 13 years old. I was planning on going to 500,000 if possible. I was disappointed when someone stole it out of my driveway and it was found wrecked. BUT I love my little 4wd/RAV4. Out of all my cars (I think 5), I like this car the best. Good mileage lots of pep. AND I don't need to shovel snow to get out! (At least so far).
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Yet Ford came out with a new wagon in 2005, the Freestyle, which they renamed this year as the Taurus X. Seems to be getting reasonably good reviews. I gave it serious consideration but the local dealers were very proud of them and I ended up getting a much better buy on a Honda Pilot. Go figure...
Freestyle/Taurus X isn't really a wagon. Really an SUV/crossover whatsit, IMO. I would have been a customer for the old Taurus wagon had I needed anythingthat big at the time. As it was, I tooled around in an escort wagon for 10 years and my younger sister still has the thing running in Brooklyn at 13 years old (and hit twice since she got it). I suspect it will be eaten by rust long before the mechanicals go.
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Freestyle/Taurus X isn't really a wagon. Really an SUV/crossover whatsit, IMO.
Heh. You say "to-may-toe", I say "to-mat-o"...

From the Wikipedia definition of Crossover SUV:

"The CUV [Crossover Utility Vehicle] nomenclature was created by automotive marketing departments to move away from the station wagon, which has declined in popularity, and the SUV, which has been stigmatized by some people in American culture as environmentally-unfriendly, over-sized, and wasteful with fuel."

"...while most CUVs are actually station wagons or 5-door hatchbacks with truck-like characteristics such as elevated suspensions and upright seating (Volvo XC90, Ford Taurus X, Cadillac SRX)."
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Problem with a crossover is that what I want is basically a car but with more cargo space and flexibility. Crossovers are basically SUVs with some compromises made to somewhat improve fuel economy, ride, etc., but its still not basically a car. I don't want to ride high up; I want something that drives like a car, has low rollover risk, and doesn't feel like a barge. Already got a minivan, don't need another.
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Driving a Hyundai Elantra that has over 130k on it. No problems and has been a good little car. We are probably going to buy another one when this one finally dies.
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i heard the new ford mustang is nice and good car.
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