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Old 06-29-2016, 11:29 PM   #61
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Man, for all the LBYM types on here, y'all like some gas guzzlers! My used Beemer feels like an extravagance at 30k, but it gets 34 mpg on the highway with it's turbo 4....
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Man, for all the LBYM types on here, y'all like some gas guzzlers! My used Beemer feels like an extravagance at 30k, but it gets 34 mpg on the highway with it's turbo 4....
I have a great big ol' gas guzzling SUV with the V6 engine option, and my gasoline for all of 2015 cost me $600.44.

I don't have to drive it very much, so gas mileage is not a big priority for me. It's nice to have a big vehicle for possible hurricane evacuations.
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Man, for all the LBYM types on here, y'all like some gas guzzlers! My used Beemer feels like an extravagance at 30k, but it gets 34 mpg on the highway with it's turbo 4....
My wife has a shiny red 2011 F150 we bought new when she retired. It has 16k miles or about 3k/yr. It was what she wanted and after decades of buying used cars and driving them till they stopped I didn't question her choice. She drives to play tennis in our small town and we use it on occasion to transport large items. Gas is not an issue. I drive a 2012 Escape with a small 4 banger that I bought new when I retired. It has 36k miles or about 9k/yr. We use this most of the time and with the average miles/yr gas is not an issue either. Eventually I will be getting an Elio once they are available (yeah, I know some people don't think it will happen but I'm hoping for late 2017). It is targeted to get over 80 fun mpg on the highway so I will be using it frequently.

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Man, for all the LBYM types on here, y'all like some gas guzzlers! My used Beemer feels like an extravagance at 30k, but it gets 34 mpg on the highway with it's turbo 4....
The cost of gas for many (most?) people is a non issue. Especially true for retirees and now when gas is so cheap. A little surprised how many still fixate on this. Something simple to measure and talk about I guess. I have no idea what my mileages are. Maybe not representative on this topic but still?
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The cost of gasoline was a significant budget item for much of the U.S. population and most of the rest of the world for the past decade, and continues to be for most people outside the U.S. We just bought a new car and even though the price of gasoline did not influence our choice, we still opted for a model with improved efficiency. No need to be wasteful, we'd rather leave some for the grandkids...
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The cost of gasoline was a significant budget item for much of the U.S. population and most of the rest of the world for the past decade, and continues to be for most people outside the U.S. We just bought a new car and even though the price of gasoline did not influence our choice, we still opted for a model with improved efficiency. No need to be wasteful, we'd rather leave some for the grandkids...
Right. Good response. Just saying for many people here the cost of gas isn't a significant determinant in what car they buy. You say it was not a determinant but then contradict yourself? Agree there is no reason to be wasteful, but no reason to sweat the small stuff either.
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The cost of gas for many (most?) people is a non issue....
Where did you find your supporting data?
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Right. Good response. Just saying for many people here the cost of gas isn't a significant determinant in what car they buy. You say it was not a determinant but then contradict yourself? Agree there is no reason to be wasteful, but no reason to sweat the small stuff either.
There is no contradiction in my post. To clarify:

The price of gasoline is a major expense for most of the world's population, including the US. Transportation is typically the first or second largest budget item for families, and fuel a major part of that. High fuel prices are barely affordable for many. A minority of the population around the world need not be concerned about the price of gasoline, or anything else for that matter.

Even here on the forum I believe most members are aware of fuel prices and opt for greater fuel efficiency where possible.

We chose a fuel efficient car because we felt that fuel efficiency and waste avoidance were important characteristics. This had nothing to do with the price of fuel. In fact, just the opposite - we opted for greater efficiency despite the substantial decline in cost of gasoline.
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DH and I are thinking about purchasing a new car. He travels for contract work, and on each trip he rents a car to drive. He's beginning to appreciate the bells & whistles that come with new cars-- the back-up cameras, easy Bluetooth connections, etc. even the mid-price cars have these now.

He drove a Prius for two weeks and liked it. He thought it remarkable that he used less than half the gasoline he typically uses on his trip, so considered one for our purchase. While I like the idea of a hybrid, it doesn't make $ense for us now that I'm not commuting. Our gas consumption is such that a hybrid would save us $300-500 per year. That means a long payback time for the initial purchase premium.
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Even here on the forum I believe most members are aware of fuel prices and opt for greater fuel efficiency where possible.
Especially if your dealing with a long commute to work.
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Yikes! Sorry to ruffle but it just seems to me that people think/worry more about the cost of gas in their cars than the actual numbers warrant. Many retirees don't drive much it seems so gas cost would not be a big deal? Obviously, if you commute long distances or run an RV around your concern would be valid. Just my humble thoughts in response to post #61 and the apparent support for older large pick ups displayed here?
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While I like the idea of a hybrid, it doesn't make $ense for us now that I'm not commuting. Our gas consumption is such that a hybrid would save us $300-500 per year. That means a long payback time for the initial purchase premium.
If you don't want to take the premium hit for a new hybrid, sure. But as posted above I've seen plenty of 2-3 year old Prius here (with less than 40k miles) for less than $15k, which is about the same price you'd pay for an equivalent used Toyonda. So there is no payback to worry about if you can deal with buying an off-lease car.

Now is a great time to buy a used hybrid.
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Yikes! Sorry to ruffle but it just seems to me that people think/worry more about the cost of gas in their cars than the actual numbers warrant. Many retirees don't drive much it seems so gas cost would not be a big deal? Obviously, if you commute long distances or run an RV around your concern would be valid. Just my humble thoughts in response to post #61 and the apparent support for older large pick ups displayed here?
Maybe it's an unpopular stance, but I, for one, agree with what you are saying. For example, last year I spent over twice as much on car insurance, as I did on gasoline. This is because I drive so little, because gas prices have been very low sometimes recently, and also because New Orleans has some of the highest car insurance rates in the country. So, low insurance relative to other models should be a higher priority for me than gas mileage, when deciding what vehicle to drive. I'm going to think about that more carefully if/when I ever decide to buy another vehicle.
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I definitely agree on the Lexus front end being ugly - that was the only model I refused to look at in my crossover search. We just pulled the trigger yesterday on a Lincoln MKX. I got everything that I wanted for only a couple of thousand more than a comparably equipped Ford Edge - and I love the interior/dash/center console layout on the Lincoln. So nice not having the gear shift in the way!

That being said, I do feel a little strange driving a Lincoln. I've only driven Honda's (with the exception of my first car - AMC Gremlin ), so I feel so bourgeoisie!
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I definitely agree on the Lexus front end being ugly -
This comment has been made over and over again (and I agree). So, does Lexus not do consumer testing on designs? I would think that if they did, that front end would look quite a bit different. I am a fan of the Lexus brand, but that front end dissuades me enough that I wouldn't even CONSIDER it if I was hunting for a new car.
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This comment has been made over and over again (and I agree). So, does Lexus not do consumer testing on designs? I would think that if they did, that front end would look quite a bit different. I am a fan of the Lexus brand, but that front end dissuades me enough that I wouldn't even CONSIDER it if I was hunting for a new car.

No offense intended here, but the new Lexus looks way cooler than any previous editions. Perhaps they're aiming for a younger audience and more long term commitment. The front end has gotten more aggressive since the 2013s, which were just boring. The RX prior to 2014 was boring. Now? Cool! Same for the sedans.

Our issue with the Lexus SUVs we looked at was inefficient use of size, and part of that is from the spaceship front end. The NX is like 8 inches longer than the X1, but less cargo and seating room. The new RX is the same in its class.

Aesthetically? Worlds better now than before IMO. YOMV.
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No offense intended here, but the new Lexus looks way cooler than any previous editions. Perhaps they're aiming for a younger audience and more long term commitment. The front end has gotten more aggressive since the 2013s, which were just boring. The RX prior to 2014 was boring. Now? Cool! Same for the sedans.

Our issue with the Lexus SUVs we looked at was inefficient use of size, and part of that is from the spaceship front end. The NX is like 8 inches longer than the X1, but less cargo and seating room. The new RX is the same in its class.

Aesthetically? Worlds better now than before IMO. YOMV.
No offense taken. I *think* you are the only one on this thread who thinks the front end looks OK. Besides, if everyone liked the same cars, it would be very boring out there.

And ugly? Oye...I think this takes the cake.
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No offense taken. I *think* you are the only one on this thread who thinks the front end looks OK. Besides, if everyone liked the same cars, it would be very boring out there.



And ugly? Oye...I think this takes the cake.

Yeah, the i3 is awful. But big brother i8 is gorgeous.

I might be the youngest commenter on this thread too, and I think that may be who Lexus is trying to appeal to with the aggressive design. Maybe not. I admit we didn't like it at first, it the more we saw them, the better we liked the look.
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Comparing a truck to a hybrid is a bad dichotomy. There are so many regular gas engine vehicles that get 40 mpg now, like my little sister's 2015 mazda 3, which she got with 10k miles on it, 90k CPO warranty and tons of features for only 16k!!

If you are all done driving, down to 3k miles a year, then yes, gas is not a factor, but here in SoCal, even a retiree is going to put 15k on the car per year, at least in the earlier, active years. Diminishing returns is definitely a factor. You save a lot more $$ going from 15mpg to 30mpg than 30 to 60, so I don't really get the hype on hybrids. Not yet, anyway.
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Ahh, the new Lexus.....I'm sure you all have seen this:

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