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Old 05-10-2019, 07:56 PM   #81
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Last car Nissan Rogue.. Leased for the first time in my life. We drive less than 10K per year. I did a 3 year. Thinking technology is changing so fast the next version may be way more advanced. (Maybe self driving!) I don't think buying and holding for 10 years makes sense anymore. I just negotiated the best price and ignored any of the extended warr etc since it will be turned in month 36.. Than we go shopping again. I would prefer to have as many safety features as possible the older I get..
I'm thinking this is the best strategy flip every 3 years. No repairs, new tech...and based on some ideas from the other posts, just keep an eye on the incentives to lease.....I'm slowly getting used to the idea of having a lease payment.....and KEEPING my CASH...
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Old 05-10-2019, 09:17 PM   #82
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I have historically financed used cars (3-4 years old, low miles) with a large down payment and short term note, trying to get the best rate with good credit. Invariably I pay these notes off early because I abhor debt. A few years ago I decided to go the cash route and have set aside funding to replace my 12 year old truck and 10 year old car in the next few years. What I have found is there is no greater financing incentive than paying cash to squeeze a few more miles/years from an existing vehicle and to keep new car fever in check. If you can live without the latest technology (and I can) then you can easily save money by just buying and holding cars for longer periods. The fact remains that cars are a rapidly depreciating asset and unless this changes the less we spend on them the better, no matter how they are financed.
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Old 05-11-2019, 06:57 AM   #83
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Isn't a depreciating asset really a " liability " ?
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Old 05-11-2019, 07:12 AM   #84
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The lease is not really the vehicle depreciation. It's the estimated depreciation that manufacturer assigns through residual value. Have to watch as some residual values are too low, you then pay more depreciation. And there are some where residual value estimate is too high, part of incentive program that lowers the lease price. Those are the real gems to find. Case in point, my current vehicle is leased and has a residual value of $26,500. I have looked at what other vehicles like mine are selling for, they are selling for less. So I underpaid on what depreciation actually was, saved me money.

The lease also includes "interest" on the full purchase price. So even if residual estimate was correct there's more than just depreciation being paid.
You make a good point. Actually several.

I have never leased a vehicle as we tend to keep them a long time. I notice that given SUVs and trucks are so popular now, leases on them could be a decent value if leasing companies are assuming an unrealistically high resale value. But also have to assume you only want the vehicle for the lease term, mileage works, etc.

But as retiree, mileage seems less an issue. May have to look into that.
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Old 05-11-2019, 10:46 AM   #85
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Isn't a depreciating asset really a " liability " ?


Not on a balance sheet. Assets can appreciate or depreciate from year to year. Now a car loan is most certainly a liability.
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I was out to buy a new car for cash a few years ago and the dealer offered me a 3 year 0% loan due to my FICO score. I kept my cash and took the 0% offer w/o hesitation. I hate loans, but I love free $.
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I was out to buy a new car for cash a few years ago and the dealer offered me a 3 year 0% loan due to my FICO score. I kept my cash and took the 0% offer w/o hesitation. I hate loans, but I love free $.

You may have paid a higher sales price than you could have in order to subsidize that 0% loan.
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Really anguished over spending savings on a "new" (to us) car. Looked into new cars with low interest financing, but no dealer really wanted to play ball (mid-2018)-0% or low int. rates but no discounts on pricing. Finally just pulled the trigger and wrote the check on a low mileage used one.

Whew! Glad that is over! The whole process (spending big $) was emotionally draining. But in retro, not as bad spending the savings as I thought it would be-getting along just fine without it. And we only replace cars every 7 years or so, so not a huge deal in the big picture.
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Isn't a depreciating asset really a " liability " ?

A depreciating asset is actually a deferred expense...
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Outside of a home, and even then no guarantees, almost everything we buy is a depreciating asset. For me just simpler to recognize it at the time as an expense.
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You may have paid a higher sales price than you could have in order to subsidize that 0% loan.

Might have, but also might not... they get money back from the car company to finance and it has nothing to do with the price of the car...


If there is an option to have cash back or financing then it is best to calculate which is better... for my sister's last purchase it was better to take the low interest financing... she bought a nice car...
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You may have paid a higher sales price than you could have in order to subsidize that 0% loan.
Nope, not in this case. Offer/acceptance was made long after price was agreed upon.
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I have historically financed used cars (3-4 years old, low miles) with a large down payment and short term note, trying to get the best rate with good credit. Invariably I pay these notes off early because I abhor debt. A few years ago I decided to go the cash route and have set aside funding to replace my 12 year old truck and 10 year old car in the next few years. What I have found is there is no greater financing incentive than paying cash to squeeze a few more miles/years from an existing vehicle and to keep new car fever in check. If you can live without the latest technology (and I can) then you can easily save money by just buying and holding cars for longer periods. The fact remains that cars are a rapidly depreciating asset and unless this changes the less we spend on them the better, no matter how they are financed.
This is very true. There is a fear, or worry, of repairs and the cost of repairs. Honestly, you can buy a new vehicle and run it for 200k miles and not have much for serious repairs. They are much more reliable. There is not a reason to have new vehicles, or trade before the warranty is out other than " I want to" which is a good enough reason on its own. The tech thing is picking up speed though. Bluetooth connectivity with the phone and some of the intelligent vehicle technology coming out in roadways are big deals.
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