Ronstar
Moderator Emeritus
I stayed the course and my 401k "grew" by $45 during 1987.
Yup I had a Schwab online brokerage account in 87, I believe it had $15 trades at the time. Unfortunately online accounts and regular brokerage accounts were seperate and was not very quick to move funds.
Even worse I wasn't able to access my account on the Friday or on Black Monday.... Schwab apologized for the inconvience...
Even though the internet was created in 1969 there was nothing on it & I don't think it really talked the internet protocal we use today. In 1991 we had a system manager at work that was really on top of it. He got us hooked into the www web and installed mosaic for us to use. I still remember it. It was a vast wasteland with nothing there. Home pages to fortune 500 companies were missing or just place holders. Even our comapny (a fortune 500 company) just had a place holder.
It would really tough for me to invest any amount if I were retired--even if I thought it might be the sensible thing to do. Fear would over power greed in this case.
What would you do now if stocks dropped 10% in a week and then 23% on one day? Just wait? Rebalance the next day? Buy more? Sell all? Freak out? Go back to w*rk?
I was flipping channels last night and came across a show on CNBC about the October 1987 crash. It was FASCINATING!!! They showed network news coverage from the time, and interviewed financial people about it. On the day that the market dropped ~25%, some people were seriously worried that it would continue to drop further, maybe even to zero. In retrospect it is easy to poo-poo such fears, but in the middle of a crash fears abound. They almost shut down Wall Street.
It's easy for me to say that I would stay the course, and I was proud of myself that I did stay the course during the late summer of this year, without even a wavering thought. This year was nothing compared with 1987, though.
During the show, I took percentages of market drop each day (as they went along in the sequence of things) and found the equivalent drop for a market beginning at 14,000 so that I could get a sense of what it felt like. It must have been awful to experience. The show blamed the 1987 crash mainly on the impact of new technology (computers) on the market.
It's fun to hear about the technology I didn't get to use. (didn't have a brokerage acct till the 90's.) Thanks!
.... online accounts and regular brokerage accounts were seperate and was not very quick to move funds.
Even worse I wasn't able to access my account on the Friday or on Black Monday.... Schwab apologized for the inconvience...
I was flipping channels last night and came across a show on CNBC about the October 1987 crash. It was FASCINATING!!! They showed network news coverage from the time, and interviewed financial people about it. On the day that the market dropped ~25%, some people were seriously worried that it would continue to drop further, maybe even to zero. In retrospect it is easy to poo-poo such fears, but in the middle of a crash fears abound. They almost shut down Wall Street.
It's easy for me to say that I would stay the course, and I was proud of myself that I did stay the course during the late summer of this year, without even a wavering thought. This year was nothing compared with 1987, though.
During the show, I took percentages of market drop each day (as they went along in the sequence of things) and found the equivalent drop for a market beginning at 14,000 so that I could get a sense of what it felt like. It must have been awful to experience. The show blamed the 1987 crash mainly on the impact of new technology (computers) on the market.
For those of you who say you would stay the course, how would your DWs or DHs feel? Would they defer to your judgment or would this put pressure on your relationship? I know my fiance was not that happy with the 8% dip earlier this year, and that was at least spread out over a couple weeks. But we stayed the course and all was well. I'd have had a bigger problem on my hands convincing her not to worry if the drop was more pronounced.
Is this what you watched? MSNBC - October '87: Crash and Comeback - Home Front Page
If so I suppose I'll have to try to catch it, as I'm pretty fascinated with how I'd handle it. Just for kicks, I did like you and calculated what the DJIA would be if it had a 22% drop. Scary stuff.
For those of you who say you would stay the course, how would your DWs or DHs feel? Would they defer to your judgment or would this put pressure on your relationship? I know my fiance was not that happy with the 8% dip earlier this year, and that was at least spread out over a couple weeks. But we stayed the course and all was well. I'd have had a bigger problem on my hands convincing her not to worry if the drop was more pronounced.
How do they view the market? Does anybody view it as something that always goes up?
I like Bogle's view on market returns. He breaks it down into returns due to earnings growth, dividend yield, and speculative yield (P/E growth).
Generally, you get to keep the returns due to earnings growth and dividend yield, but the market tends to take back returns due to speculative growth (unless you sell to realize those returns).
I was too young when the 87 crash happened and I don't remember much about it. Then when the smoke clears, hopefully I will have the guts to start buying while the market is low. When the tech bubble burst in 2000 I did not panic and kept buying into the market but the decline was orderly. In a 1929 or 1987 type scenario with an abrupt collapse of the stock market, I really don't know how I would ultimately react...
The market has been out-growing the economy for a long time now.
The 70s were a time when the economy outgrew the market. To rebalance from the 60s, when for the most part the market outgrew the enconomy.
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I was an infant during the 60's tech bubble. And I think it had already imploded by the time I was in elementary school. Tell us about the go-go years, Uncle Ha.