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Old 03-14-2017, 09:02 AM   #141
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To be fair you would have to include the "*" (appx. $7000 for public education; Affordability 26%). When you do that it appears there is little difference between the two. The US tax dollars spent for defense over most other countries, I believe to be a factor, and that defense does support other countries as well as US.
I'd say that ~18% higher costs/income is a reasonably significant difference myself, but that's a matter of opinion. I completely agree that our defense spending is much higher relative to others as well. Though I think we're getting off topic, I'll still mention that many countries spend more on other areas (as a % of GDP) than we do, including infrastructure spending (where many OECD countries spend 2-3 times what we do as a % of GDP). There are a lot of variables, and not all countries have the same concerns/priorities on what to spend money on obviously.
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I'd say that ~18% higher costs/income is a reasonably significant difference myself, but that's a matter of opinion. I completely agree that our defense spending is much higher relative to others as well. Though I think we're getting off topic, I'll still mention that many countries spend more on other areas (as a % of GDP) than we do, including infrastructure spending (where many OECD countries spend 2-3 times what we do as a % of GDP). There are a lot of variables, and not all countries have the same concerns/priorities on what to spend money on obviously.
I was comparing 22% affordability to 26% affordability.
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Nope. I was right. The Congressional Budget Office support my numbers. 24 million Americans will not have insurance because they simply cannot afford it. The CBO study proves you are wrong. I don't know why you are even discussing car insurance. The rate of inflation in medical insurance and rising cost of healthcare is very different from auto insurance. Sure, I can easily find a cheaper auto insurance - everyone knows that.

CBO report: 24 million fewer insured by 2026 under GOP health care bill - CNNPolitics.com
The tax guy, Norquyst was on TV and he said CBO was guessing on the number. Mere postulating about the 24 million of people who will lose coverage. But the key thing about the CBO scoring is no tax increase, the bonus is that it's saving money.
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The tax guy, Norquyst was on TV and he said CBO was guessing on the number. Mere postulating about the 24 million of people who will lose coverage. But the key thing about the CBO scoring is no tax increase, the bonus is that it's saving money.
Saving money is easy. Just eliminate Medicaid altogether and they will save even more money.

How about making healthcare more affordable for *more* people while saving money?
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Why do Canadians come across the border? because they do nt want to wait to get treated
This is completely bogus. Please show the real facts, not anecdotal ones.

The reason Canadians come across the border for healthcare is because the Canadian System sends them there (Fully Paid for) so they can get prompt treatment if there is a wait for the same service in Canada.

How it is spun is a different issue.

How do I know? I am Canadian and have had treatment in both countries and the service is basically the same, while there can be a wait for NON ESSENTIAL treatment. YOU still have the choice to pay extra for it. However you will NOT go bankrupt doing it.

Personal Experience completely outweighs anecdotal information.
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Saving money is easy. Just eliminate Medicaid altogether and they will save even more money.

How about making healthcare more affordable for *more* people while saving money?
Do you want healthcare more affordable or health insurance? It's my belief that forcing more people to buy insurance does nothing to lower the cost of healthcare. If anything, it gives healthcare provides less incentives to lower costs.
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The tax guy, Norquyst was on TV and he said CBO was guessing on the number. Mere postulating about the 24 million of people who will lose coverage...........
The CBO only had a short time to crunch the numbers, the authors of the bill, however, have had 8 years to crunch the numbers. I'd love to see those calculations.
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It's my belief that forcing more people to buy insurance does nothing to lower the cost of healthcare. If anything, it gives healthcare provides less incentives to lower costs.

How did you arrive at that belief?
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The CBO only had a short time to crunch the numbers, the authors of the bill, however, have had 8 years to crunch the numbers. I'd love to see those calculations.
We've also had 8 years to see that the current plan is unsustainable. Buck up, change is happening.
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We've also had 8 years to see that the current plan is unsustainable. Buck up, change is happening.
I won't engage. You got the last thread shut down.
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I won't engage. You got the last thread shut down.
And you came in and started working on this one with the same drivel.
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My 25yo's catastrophic medical plan thru his employer was $1.49/month. I don't remember the specifics.

If 20-29 year olds can buy that on the open market then the refundable tax credit will benefit them greatly.
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And you came in and started working on this one with the same drivel.
You won't have to worry anymore, I've added you to my ignore list.
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You won't have to worry anymore, I've added you to my ignore list.
Great! I love how it's ok to state a negative to the side you have a problem with, but you throw a tantrum when it goes the other way. Have a good life/retirement!
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Great! I love how it's ok to state a negative to the side you have a problem with, but you throw a tantrum when it goes the other way. Have a good life/retirement!
I suggest that you learn about the ignore feature as well, or take it offline.
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I suggest that you learn about the ignore feature as well, or take it offline.
Thanks. I didn't realize there was one until Travelover mentioned it, so I looked and have put it to use.
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How did you arrive at that belief?
The law of supply and demand. The ACA artificially increased the demand.
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The CBO only had a short time to crunch the numbers, the authors of the bill, however, have had 8 years to crunch the numbers. I'd love to see those calculations.
It is not just the CBO. Other organizations have come up with similar orders of magnitude projections, like the Commonwealth Fund, The Rand Corporation and S&P.
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The law of supply and demand. The ACA artificially increased the demand.
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Then how do you explain Germany, France, UK, Italy, Spain, Austria, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Belgium etc. Countries with Universal Healthcare, lower costs and higher quality?

At under 10% of GDP spend on Healthcare they cover 100% of their population.
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