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Old 06-20-2007, 12:08 PM   #1
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Is there anyone who couldn't as of today make it on a 1 million portfolio and Medicare or some type of life time guaranteed health insurance plan.No debt and no mortgage. Assuming age 58 (65 if considering M'care), what would be your asset allocation for the 1 m .
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Old 06-20-2007, 12:28 PM   #2
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Hopefully there would be some Social Security coming also. To answer your question directly many could make it. However some with higher expectations would feel deprived. It also makes a difference as to what part of the country you reside in.

The optimal stock-bond allocation is debated ad-nauseum, however here is one example:




So if you have a 20-25 year life expectancy at retirement then the optimal allocation (at retirement) is 65-75% stocks
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Maybe somewhere in flyover country. I'd have a tough time in God's Country (NJ).
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That is around $100,000 less than I had planned on, but I'd probably make do. I'd be 90-95% equities (I'm 27).
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Maybe somewhere in flyover country. I'd have a tough time in God's Country (NJ).
How much of flyover country have you visited?

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How much of flyover country have you visited?

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Lessee, 6 years living in OH (near Cleveland - oh boy!) probably counts. Spent a summer in Denver and periodically return as DW's family live there.

Other places, as far as I can remember (tried to blot out some of these memories, I assure you):

- Dallas-Ft. Worth
- Cincinnati
- Indianapolis
- Several small towns in Nebraska
- Topeka
- Chicago
- Birmingham, AL
- Several places in KY
- Minneapolis
- New Orleans
- Kansas City
- Toledo
- Detroit
- Ann Arbor
- Taos & Sante Fe
- Walsenberg, CO (don't ask)


Narrowly escaped a trip to Chattanooga. Prolly been some other places in "the heartland" that I have successfully blotted out.

Lots of these places would be readily doable with a relatively high standard of living on a milion bucks with house and insurance covered. It would be a LOT easier than if you were in a high cost coastal area, though.
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Brewer:

You are one well traveled man. What persuaded you to move so much ?

So after all of that relocation maybe you can give some advice on where the best chicken wings can be found !
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Maybe somewhere in flyover country. I'd have a tough time in God's Country (NJ).
Surely you don't plan to live in NJ the rest of your life.
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Maybe somewhere in flyover country. I'd have a tough time in God's Country (NJ).
God's Country is actually the nickname of the Coulee Region of western Wisconsin..........
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You are one well traveled man. What persuaded you to move so much ?

So after all of that relocation maybe you can give some advice on where the best chicken wings can be found !
Heh, most of these places I did not live in, merely visited. Some were places I'd happily never return to. Others I would seriously consider moving to if I chose to vacate God's Country. Many others I could take or leave.

Favorite wings:

- The Feve in Oberlin, OH
- The Blind Tiger in Topeka, KS (about the town's only redeeming feature, IMO)
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Is there anyone who couldn't as of today make it on a 1 million portfolio and Medicare or some type of life time guaranteed health insurance plan.No debt and no mortgage. Assuming age 58 (65 if considering M'care), what would be your asset allocation for the 1 m .
Back to the original question...too many "ifs". One person? No problem. 2 people? maybe, family of 6 (like me) with 4 kids to put thru college? probably not.

Could it be done? Absolutely. Even at a 4% SWR, thats 40K to live on...lots of folks get by on a lot less than that, and still have to pay medical and mortgage or rent.
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under those conditions, no mortgage, no debt, paid health insur., we (2 of us) could make it on 1mil portfolio ... It would make us tighten up a bit, but do-able.
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Me, easy;
Me and DW, yup;
Me, DW and 2 kids soon to be in college, nope!
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Is there anyone who couldn't as of today make it on a 1 million portfolio and Medicare or some type of life time guaranteed health insurance plan.No debt and no mortgage. Assuming age 58 (65 if considering M'care), what would be your asset allocation for the 1 m .
Yes we could get by @ 58 on 1mm @ 4% ($40k). The allocation would be 60/30/10 (S/B/C). When I say get by, we could live a good lifestyle on that amount. The 40% in Int bonds and cash would cover 10 years of Stock market slump (in a bad scenario).


But, we have plans for a higher income level (won't elaborate) So, our target Portfolio amount is higher.
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Yeah, I could make it with $1million. But I wouldn't want to. I don't hate my work so much that I am willing to make that drastic a cut in lifestyle. I am not retiring from a mega-corp job where I sit in a cubicle all day filling out "TSP reports"(lol), I actually enjoy my work... well... parts of it... usually....sometimes....not really.

At any rate, I think I can withstand a few more years of work for the opportunity to build a larger nest egg and a larger income.
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I'd be living well with $1M and health insurance. Single, no kids, a modest lifestyle. I'd be about 60/30/10 stocks, income producing and cash.

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Yeah, I could make it with $1million. But I wouldn't want to. I don't hate my work so much that I am willing to make that drastic a cut in lifestyle. I am not retiring from a mega-corp job where I sit in a cubicle all day filling out "TSP reports"(lol), I actually enjoy my work... well... parts of it... usually....sometimes....not really.

I dunno. Since it is summer and I am trapped in an over-airconditioned office for too many hours a day, lately my mind has been drifting to other summers in my life. In particular, there was a summer I stayed behind at the town where I went to college in Ohio instead of going back to NYC with my family. I didn't exactly have a lot of money, and work was menial stuff minding the office at the gym or doing one-off catering slob work (lots of weddings where people in rural Ohio getting married - never thought I'd see a bride in a miniskirt). But I didn't actually work that many hours and the work generally wasn't taxing. And I had an apartment with modest rent, a beater pick-up truck to run around in (when it ran - bungy cord holding the hood shut was just the start), and several friends who stuck around that summer.

What I had at the time that I don't have now is leisure time and a fair amount of freedom. And the time was memorable, since I can still quite clearly recall many of the events of that summer, while now the dreary work days all just seem to drift by in a blur. I bet I could recreate the freedom bit a lot better with the million bucks and health insurance, especially if I were single and willing to relocate to small-town Ohio. The prospect becomes increasingly attractive (except the single part) as I get older and more burnt out.
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1993. 350k. NO health insurance. Age 49. Fish camp on Lake Ponchartrain.

God's Country? You betcha - cause the SO said so. Like the recent Wachovia TV ad retire or transfer. In my case layed off.

Hindsight at age 63 would I do it again? Who knows?

BTW - you get the 1 mil by being a really cheap bastard in retirement and be lucky enough to have Mr Market do it's 90's thing and no major illness. A 1995 tornado making us homeless for 6 wks and Katrina causing a sight 1000 mile move inland were good tests of adjustments sometimes reguired in ER.

God's Country is now greater Kansas City 'above the Missouri floodplain".

Maybe not Overland Park but something around Faucett near the water tower mabbe a half mil with one hand tied behind my back with my cheap hat on.

heh heh heh - little tongue in cheek bragging. Target Retirement out of the can - take 5% variable and party on. In real life now that I got old(63) - small non cola pension and early SS cover 40% and 60% aka the frivolous stuff from 5% variable.
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Lessee, 6 years living in OH (near Cleveland - oh boy!) probably counts. Spent a summer in Denver and periodically return as DW's family live there.

Other places, as far as I can remember (tried to blot out some of these memories, I assure you):

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I asked because I live in "flyover country" and interpreted the term somewhat pejoratively. I also lived in central NJ for about three years, spending a lot of time in the Philly-NY corridor with a few side trips to the River Gap area and an Air Force base over in SE Jersey. While the River Gap and central NJ parts are gorgeous, up towards Newark and SE Jersey are not my favorite parts of the world.

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I asked because I live in "flyover country" and interpreted the term somewhat pejoratively. I also lived in central NJ for about three years, spending a lot of time in the Philly-NY corridor with a few side trips to the River Gap area and an Air Force base over in SE Jersey. While the River Gap and central NJ parts are gorgeous, up towards Newark and SE Jersey are not my favorite parts of the world.

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I will be the first to admit that there are wide swaths of NJ that aren't pretty. DW and I refer to a lengthy stretch of the NJ Turnpike as "Mordor" ("the very air you breathe is a poison...").

But it doesn't make me any more eager to return to Dallas ("hey, let's put the stockyard in the middle of downtown!"), or Indianapolis.
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