Here's a question for all you agents and insurance enthusiasts. Make a bathroom call, get a fresh cup of coffee, and settle in for a rockin' good time.
A shipmate is getting ready to retire after nearly 28 years. He may have been expecting the assignment officer to [-]ignore[/-] let him linger a little at his current duty station, or perhaps he was just hoping to negotiate a better set of orders. Regardless, the negotiations abruptly terminated and his last day in uniform is 1 April. (A three-year tour to the minute.) Ironic date to retire, yes, but it's only 77 days away.
No need to worry about him or his finances. He's always intended to work a bridge career and he'll probably land a job before he collects his first pension check.
However his financial acumen is another issue. He's never bothered to learn much about investing and he's still vulnerable to the siren songs of financial advisers & snake-oil salesmen. He's asked a question that I've only encountered once before, and I'm hoping to craft a better answer for next time. You know, in case someone asks me about it while I'm at a book-signing event or a retirement seminar.
Here it is:
What can I do to correct those points (if necessary) and come up with better ones?
A shipmate is getting ready to retire after nearly 28 years. He may have been expecting the assignment officer to [-]ignore[/-] let him linger a little at his current duty station, or perhaps he was just hoping to negotiate a better set of orders. Regardless, the negotiations abruptly terminated and his last day in uniform is 1 April. (A three-year tour to the minute.) Ironic date to retire, yes, but it's only 77 days away.
No need to worry about him or his finances. He's always intended to work a bridge career and he'll probably land a job before he collects his first pension check.
However his financial acumen is another issue. He's never bothered to learn much about investing and he's still vulnerable to the siren songs of financial advisers & snake-oil salesmen. He's asked a question that I've only encountered once before, and I'm hoping to craft a better answer for next time. You know, in case someone asks me about it while I'm at a book-signing event or a retirement seminar.
Here it is:
My response to him is below. Is there a website or a better rebuttal I could refer to? I'm not a Kelly fanboi, but I'm trying to put together a more compact critique of his scheme.... I received an interesting book a little while back called Tax-Free Retirement by Patrick Kelly. Any chance you have heard of it or read it? Bottom line is that he strongly advocates Universal Life Policy as an investment vehicle -- by overfunding it.
Example he uses is to overfund a $500k policy at to the tune of $1800/mo, and by age 65 (starting at 40), you have a policy with a cash value of $1.8M. I tried to calculate ROI, and got 7.45% -- and
that doesn't even decrement the investment by the cost of the insurance. Also, my whole life insurance has been getting well under 5% for awhile now. Anyway, regardless of whatever you can get your
cash value up to be, he goes on to explain that there would be tremendous value in having a super-sized life insurance policy, because then you can take money out for yourself, tax free, and the value would still keep growing. Best part is no death tax when you croak and your kids get whatever is left. So it does sound like an attractive option.
You're essentially turning your assets over to an insurance company in the hope that they'll find a way for you to avoid taxes. You could achieve the same result by paying a few thousand bucks to a CPA and a CFP who'd put you in tax-free municipal bonds and rental real estate-- but you'd pay a lot less money for better returns. (Of course you could also do tax-free munis and rental real estate on your own.) You could do your own tax-efficient portfolio by investing in the TSP and index mutual funds or ETFs with Vanguard (like their S&P500 index fund, VFIAX). You'd pay ridiculously low annual expenses (0.20%/year or less) and your taxes would be capital gains at rates of 0-15%. Again you'd achieve lower overall expenses (a little more in taxes but a lot less in insurance fees) and you'd get to keep the profits.
You'd have to try to compare Kelly's system to doing your own investing. I guess one way to put numbers on your own estimate would be to take that same $1800/month, figure out how much of it would go to your SBP premiums, and invest the rest in a Vanguard S&P500 index fund earning 3%/year over inflation. You could compare the UL policy to the SBP by assuming that the value of the UL policy would have to purchase a simgle-premium immediate annuity with a COLA that matches SBP payments and their COLA. See who has how much after 25 years.
The other side of the UL contract is the economy. Lots of insurance companies sold UL policies during the 1980s-90s bull markets at ridiculously low premiums and incredibly high assumptions of market returns. Then in 2001 their portfolio losses greatly exceeded the premium reserves and they started going after their insureds: "So sorry, market returns are sub-par and you need to make up the premium deficiency by putting more money into the policy."
You could look at it this way: If Kelly's claims worked for the majority of investors, then investment companies like Fidelity and Vanguard would be all over it. The reason it's not more popular might be because there are other investments which result in paying more taxes than Kelly's method, but with much higher returns for the investor and much lower expenses. In other words Kelly would be paying a lot to the insurance company to avoid paying cap gains taxes and estate taxes. I think you might be better off paying a little bit of taxes while keeping much higher investment gains.
What can I do to correct those points (if necessary) and come up with better ones?