What tax bracket are you in?My senerio:
Traditional 401k, comp match 1:1 until 6%. currently I max my contribution. But should I split some to Roth 401k, of course, after got all comp match?
Some idea?
What tax bracket are you in?
Will your taxes be lower or higher when you retire?
TJ
I am in high basket now and expect lower when I retire.
Traditional 401k, comp match 1:1 until 6%. currently I max my contribution. But should I split some to Roth 401k, of course, after got all comp match?
Typical wisdom would then say to prefer the Roth.
You got it backwards...Typical wisdom would then say to prefer the Roth.
2Cor521
Roth 401k will decrease your take home pay
Have you thought about a 401k that you convert to a Roth when you are retired and in a lower tax bracket?That's the reason I've been pushing to get a Roth 401k at work. While it's not really efficient for me to use one, it'll help me in retirement more.
Have you thought about a 401k that you convert to a Roth when you are retired and in a lower tax bracket?
My senerio:
Traditional 401k, comp match 1:1 until 6%. currently I max my contribution. But should I split some to Roth 401k, of course, after got all comp match?
Some idea?
The 15.5K saves you about 4.5K in taxes, so at the end of the year, youI can save 15.5k that will never be taxed at the cost of 20k now
or
I can save around 13k (after taxes) at the cost of 15.5k now. While it's not efficient, the top option gets me more money in retirement.
But that's missing the point. I want to maximize my savings now, while I'm working. Once I'm retired, I won't have the free cash sitting around to pay taxes for my 401k. Even if it's not the most efficient use of money, here are my options:
I can save 15.5k that will never be taxed at the cost of 20k now
or
I can save around 13k (after taxes) at the cost of 15.5k now. While it's not efficient, the top option gets me more money in retirement.
The 15.5K saves you about 4.5K in taxes, so at the end of the year, you
have saved 20K, versus 11K (assuming 28% tax bracket, not to mention
state taxes).
TJ
You making this too complicated, I used it as an example. Yea I knowWe need a review of taxes to have a productive discussion. If someone is in 28% tax bracket, the 15.5k is not really 11k "after taxes". And it does not "save" 4k in taxes either.
It is not a flat 28%... depends on filing status, but for me (married filing jointly)-
for 2007
the first 15,560 I make is taxed at 10% (1560 total tax)
income between 15650 and 63700 is taxed at 15% (8772 total tax, including the 10%).
income over 63700 is taxed at 25%.
If I make 68k per year, I am in 25% tax bracket, but I don't pay .25*68=17k in taxes,
If I were young (20s+), hence at the start of my career, I would do Roth 401kOK, so put 13K in a 401(k) now and put the 2.5K in an after-tax, tax-efficent no-load, low-expense-ratio mutual fund. Then you will have a 401k that you can rollover to an IRA that can be converted to a Roth IRA. And you will have a little pot of money on the side to pay the much lower income taxes on the conversion.
Quite a few folks on this message board have practiced this conversion in retirement when they are in a much lower tax bracket. Since it works, it is not to be dismissed. I have seen no messages where someone did your first option.