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Old 10-29-2009, 11:40 AM   #21
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In all seriousness, the manual that came with the router (or its online equivalent) should explain things well enough for an average computer user to turn on basic security. Start there and post any questions along with router make & model and people here can probably help.
Agreed. Knowing which wireless router and which operating system someone is using helps, too.
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You probably won't find that equipment at Best Buy, though. (Update: Just looked and lo and behold some of the consumer routers actually do have something like QOS).Then you will need to hire a knowledgable techie to configure that equipment for you.
Just buy a hackable router where you can install your own firmware like Tomato. Then set up your QoS. Actually that sounds like work unless you like techie stuff.
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My router is unsecured and I know next to nothing about how to secure it. Can anyone point me in the right direction on how to password protect it?
Figure out what kind of router you have. Look at the front or bottom. Find out how to access your router. Frequently typing 192.168.0.1 into the address box on your internet browser will bring it up. Or 192.168.1.1

You'll need the default password. Admin is a common one. Also 1234 or 12345 or password or root. Google your router model and "default password" to find out for sure.

The screen that comes up should have different settings. First change your password (may be called access password or administrative passowrd) to something else. Maybe u45tre98cht6 or something. Write it down somewhere, maybe even on a paper and tape it to your router.

Then find the "wireless encryption" settings or wireless security settings. If you have WPA2, use that one. Create a long random key (like a long password). You'll have to put that on your computer and other devices that access the router wirelessly. Your computer should have network settings and for your router's network, add the password and tell it WPA2 (or whatever type of encryption you used on your router).

There's more you can do, but this makes you non-low hanging fruit, and any hackers sitting outside your house will mosey on to the house 2 doors down that have an unsecured network.
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My router is unsecured and I know next to nothing about how to secure it. Can anyone point me in the right direction on how to password protect it?

Many good suggestions from others.

Also to consider, find a trustworthy family or friend computer geek

Happens all the time, usually there's some in the family as the "computer geek" who'd be glad to help out if you ask nicely
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Happens all the time, usually there's some in the family as the "computer geek" who'd be glad to help out if you ask nicely
Yeah, it shouldn't take more than 10-15 minutes to set up the router and a couple of devices if you have someone in the know. Say, what was the address where you keep this unsecured router? Maybe I can stop by and log all your internet traffic help!
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I have an agreement with my neighbor. They provide me with the wireless connection and in return I monitor and maintain the wireless network for them, this has been going on for about two years works great. To date have locked out three neighbors and and four mobile units to steal access. The wireless modem is set to mask the online computers. As long as you have your internet browser and wireless network set up correctly important information is not broadcast over the internet and your computer is not even seen as being their.
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don't uber geeks just stay etherneted direct to the modem for max speed, and to avoid security issues?

are there not a lot of people using wireless, for no purpose?
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Yeah, it shouldn't take more than 10-15 minutes to set up the router and a couple of devices if you have someone in the know. Say, what was the address where you keep this unsecured router? Maybe I can stop by and log all your internet traffic help!
Note..I used the keyword "trustworthy"
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don't uber geeks just stay etherneted direct to the modem for max speed, and to avoid security issues?

are there not a lot of people using wireless, for no purpose?
If you need high throughput over the network, yes, wired ethernet is the way to go. Most consumer internet in the US is slower than typical wireless speeds (assuming decent signal), so internet web-browsing doesn't really matter if it is done wired or wirelessly. I even stream video wirelessly and it comes no where close to maxing out my wireless connection.
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I have an agreement with my neighbor. They provide me with the wireless connection and in return I monitor and maintain the wireless network for them, this has been going on for about two years works great. To date have locked out three neighbors and and four mobile units to steal access. The wireless modem is set to mask the online computers. As long as you have your internet browser and wireless network set up correctly important information is not broadcast over the internet and your computer is not even seen as being their.
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apart from the ethical issue (which is significant for myself, ...greyer given actual cash is not being exchanged), there does not seem to be any particular way to get caught doing this, right? so it is at the level of downloading pirated mp3s

There is in fact a company out there that runs a website to faciliate a business model for doing this...can't remember name or details
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so it is at the level of downloading pirated mp3s
I'm not sure I'd even say that. "Sharing" a wireless broadband connection may be against the terms of service with the ISP but I don't believe it's explicitly illegal under the law like a copyright violation would be.

I'd say it's more like one person paying for an all-you-can-eat buffet and sharing some of the food on their plate with others who didn't pay for one themselves.
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don't uber geeks just stay etherneted direct to the modem for max speed, and to avoid security issues?

are there not a lot of people using wireless, for no purpose?

Yes, my first router I bought, I purposedly bought a wired one for the very reasons you pointed out -- max speed, avoid possibilty of security issues.

But I've found when friends/family come over with their laptops, they look at me like I've in the dark ages when they can't just flip open their computers and connect wirelessly. To them, that feels so contraining, so being a good host, I have a wireless connection so they can move about and surf as they wish.
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I'm not sure I'd even say that. "Sharing" a wireless broadband connection may be against the terms of service with the ISP but I don't believe it's explicitly illegal under the law like a copyright violation would be.

I'd say it's more like one person paying for an all-you-can-eat buffet and sharing some of the food on their plate with others who didn't pay for one themselves.
well, this is part of my problem...I am only at the second home for a few weeks of the year, and the use is very light...stuff like this forum...no media downloading, and same story for my nieghbours. Hard to justify $40 per month...a party line would make more sense and in the end help the cable company more than not bothering at all, which is what we do.

this then gets into the tricky area of behavior that violates an unenforcable contract, where breaking the rules benefits all parties, including the cable company
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this then gets into the tricky area of behavior that violates an unenforcable contract, where breaking the rules benefits all parties, including the cable company
Enquiring minds want to know: How exactly does the cable company benefit? They don't have to be bothered with writing you a year-long contract when you'll just be using it for several weeks?
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Put two routers behind the modem, one for each user.
Again this solution relies on trust, just like one router does. Unless you're going into your neighbor's den to check their setup how do you know really know what they have going, or if it's what you agreed to?

You might as well just trust them not to spend their free time snooping router logs.
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Info from a non-geek. If a neighbor is hooking up to your network and you don't feel like password protecting it a fun game is to rename your network. Maybe something like "we can hear you having sex", or "where the hells my mower moocher?". For the geekish, here's a list of default router names and passwords:

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Enquiring minds want to know: How exactly does the cable company benefit? They don't have to be bothered with writing you a year-long contract when you'll just be using it for several weeks?
its more money coming in for the cable company that would not otherwise be coming in, as default is not two contracts combining to one, but rather, zero contracts merging to create one.

rather than spend $40 per month, us part timers just walk over to the condo community centre and use the "free" computers in the library.

the problem with this, for me, is that my lifestyle is to sit with my wireless laptop, doing light duty like this website, on the couch beside DW while she watches So You Think You Can Dance and House Hunters....Barefoot Contessa....

fyi, Comcast does offer seasonal suspension, though I would like to maintain the system to operate web integrated security over the summer
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Timely topic for us...TG dh2b is extremely competent in this area. Some of his w*rk buddies were talking about how easy it is these days to get a wireless signal capture device and cruise a neighborhood collecting info.
Razzafrazza digital Peeping Toms.
He just finished up the job...including turning broadcasting the SSID off,
re-configuration of the wireless router with new ID and key codes tonight. I had disconnect from the old netw*rk, reconnect and enter some data.
Obviously it all w*rked OK. Yet another reason to keep him onboard.
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poking around, or maybe someone mentioned this in the thread, I stumbled on this ..CE Compass
http://www.cecompass.com/usbskypevoi...neadapter.aspx

which permits dual use land line and skype on house system regular phones

for $20, I thought I would give it a try and ordered it

I think I will try Magic Jack as well...just in case it works well with my equipment
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