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Old 06-03-2014, 02:05 PM   #61
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I was involved in a discussion about whether kids should work p/t jobs in college. A friend stated that kids will only do X amount of studying. Free time is spent partying. A p/t job reduces the partying, and is probably better for them not getting into trouble.

I tend to agree with this idea.
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+1 I agree with this 100% as well. Helps them with time management as well as determining who they associate with. Even if they don't need the money, I think college students should work part time to help prepare for real life.
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I was involved in a discussion about whether kids should work p/t jobs in college. A friend stated that kids will only do X amount of studying. Free time is spent partying. A p/t job reduces the partying, and is probably better for them not getting into trouble.
That was my case, I worked >25 hours x week my freshman year and >30 from then on. No time to party (or sleep), also no $$ for entertainment, all my income went to pay school expenses.

A classmate of ours (DW and I were college sweethearts) recently reunited with us, and one night over dinner commented that she always thought I was "stanf-offish" because I "was always hanging out with other people". She was surprised to learn that I wasn't hanging with anybody, but working.

Now, with three college grads well into adulthood, I have no doubt that the partying is an incredible waste of a precious opportunity, but I'm not sure how valuable all that work is.
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I was involved in a discussion about whether kids should work p/t jobs in college. A friend stated that kids will only do X amount of studying. Free time is spent partying. A p/t job reduces the partying, and is probably better for them not getting into trouble.

I tend to agree with this idea.

I have lots of coworkers who state they don't want their kids to work because they want them to focus on school. I always ask their kids GPAs and whether they're on track to graduate in 4 years.
My son did work during school last fall and he did OK with grades. That said, he didn't work this spring (at my suggestion) and he did better with grades.

The problem I have with your friend's analysis is that it seems to allow room for studying, partying and work and seems to assume that kids will do only 2 of those and that studying is always one of the 2.

I have problems with both those assumptions. First - DS is not a big partier. He does have friends and he does socialize. But, he also spends a lot of time sort of doing nothing special. He'll play video games, or watch a stream of a game, or even read a book. Maybe this is because of his ADHD, but he seems to need that time to just sort of do nothing. It isn't partying, though. And, he seems to do better if he has the time to both do that and the time to study.

When he was working, the job didn't cut into the doing nothing productive time that I'm talking about. Instead the job cut into his studying time.

Sure, he met his deadlines for his work which is why he had OK grades last fall (and to be fair an A in his major). But, he didn't really do anything extra. Between work and doing what he had to do to meet his deadlines at school he didn't have a lot of time left over and he spent most of that doing the kind of things I described above.

This last semester he didn't work. It is my observation that he did spend more time on studying this semester. For one thing he had more time to meet with various study groups with other students. Last semester he often couldn't do that because of conflict with his work schedule. This semester he could. Last semester, he was having a problem in one course and the only time the college's tutoring center was available for that course was while he was working. This semester, whenever he ran into a problem, he could easily go to get help whenever it was available.

Now he still did plenty of playing videogames, listening to music, watching game streams, etc. And, probably more than he did last semester. But, there is no question that he studied more this semester and had better overall grades.

BTW, I do think that many kids can work and go to school at the same time. It just depends on the student. Theoretically I always thought the kids should work and go to school for much the reason you state. It is just that this is one of those things where my actual experience with my own kids showed me it was better not to work.
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Yup, people are different.

My working didn't cut into my studying or partying. It cut into sleep.

I had a job with Facilities Management where I monitored the heating, AC, and fire alarms for a bunch of the U's buildings. I also answered the phone. When it wasn't busy, it was a job you could study at, so it didn't cut into my studying much.

However, the hours were often overnights. I would have weeks where I would work Monday, Wednesday, and Friday overnight. So I pretty much slept every other night on those weeks. I'd catch a few hours of sleep on campus between my classes whenever I could find somewhere out of the way to sleep. I often slept in big classes that I wasn't signed up for. That was entertaining on test days.

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BTW, I do think that many kids can work and go to school at the same time. It just depends on the student. Theoretically I always thought the kids should work and go to school for much the reason you state. It is just that this is one of those things where my actual experience with my own kids showed me it was better not to work.
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I always respected the student that could juggle work and school successfully.

I recall attending college orientation with my son. One of the staff members said the students should expect to study two hours for every hour of class time. 16 credits x 3 = 48 hours per week between classes and studying. A full time job in itself.
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Uncle Sam and scholarship took care of most of my college expense, plus some help from my Dad and working myself. That was back in a different era and costs were more reasonable and opportunities were also better back then with a college degree. I was a EE.

As to our kids, we funded 4 years at a public U for DS's undergrad and provided some $s towards his MBA, while he paid the lions share for the later. For DD, we paid 2 years at a public and 2 years at a private.

Times have changed, college costs have increased dramatically and opportunities have decreased at least compared to when I went to school. We felt an obligation to give our kids every advantage moving forward without saddling them with a very large debt to repay. I guess every parent looks at this differently, but DW and I felt the same on what we wanted to do. Likewise, I hope to leave our kids a decent nest egg when we are gone.
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The experience we had with our kids and part time retail work is that the kids will ask for 10 - 15 hour a week jobs, some of the other kids tend to be slackoffs, quit or call in sick, so our kids would get scheduled 20 - 30 hours, right when they have midterms or finals and get put between a rock and a hard place. Plus the schedules would change week to week and maybe not get posted until the day before, so it made it very hard for them to plan study sessions and project work.

We decided to provide spending money in exchange for them keeping up their GPAs and doing club and volunteer work, though one is getting far enough along in school to get paid internships now. One kiddo also took a Saturday class outside of school to work towards a professional certification.
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