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Old 03-18-2011, 10:53 AM   #21
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She is very independent. I like to return to the Bay Area but DW's root is here in the Midwest.

Then I vote for Stanford as DW might miss her and want to relocate ;-) it'll be your master plan to get away from the MN snow.
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Old 03-18-2011, 10:56 AM   #22
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I taught at UW Madison for decades and both kids graduated there. It is a fine school, best suited to self-disciplined, focused self-starters. An unfocused student could get side-tracked by the sheer size and busy-ness of the place. But if your DD is on target, like I suspect she is, it is one of the countries best values in more than a few disciplines.
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Then I vote for Stanford as DW might miss her and want to relocate ;-) it'll be your master plan to get away from the MN snow.
Ha, ha .. that idea has entered my mind many times.
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Old 03-18-2011, 11:05 AM   #24
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I taught at UW Madison for decades and both kids graduated there. It is a fine school, best suited to self-disciplined, focused self-starters. An unfocused student could get side-tracked by the sheer size and busy-ness of the place. But if your DD is on target, like I suspect she is, it is one of the countries best values in more than a few disciplines.
Agreed - UW Madison is a great school. She will have no problem at UW-madison since she has survived U of Minnesota - both are big and research universities. She was accepted to UW-Madison for undergrad but chose U of MN since it offers a free-ride and proximity to home.
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Which school does she want to attend?
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Has she applied for aide ? She may get a very generous offer from Sanford which may sway her decision. My son went to MIT and his package was very generous .
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Ha, ha .. that idea has entered my mind many times.
I can hear it now, after the start of the school term...

2 weeks later: Spanky to DW - DD called, she misses you. Spanky tells DD to tell mom she misses her.

1 month later: Spanky to DW - should we visit DD, I know she misses u. Spanky tells DD to tell mom she misses her.

2 months later: Spanky to DW - it's kinda quiet hear, I miss DD. DD is doing great in CA, do u miss her? Spanky tells DD to tell mom she misses her.

3 months later: Spanky to DW - should we do something different for the holidays, like visit DD. It'll be a great surprise to DD. Spanky tells DD to tell mom she misses her.

Beginning of MN Winter: Spanky to DW - wow, it's alot of snow, I hate to replace the old snow blower, I bet DD is comfortable in CA, I wonder how she's doing? Spanky tells DD to tell mom she misses her and state she doesn't miss the snow.

Middle of MN winter: Spanky to DW - my bone chills, I wish it was as warm as CA. I wonder if DD is enjoying coffee at the outside cafe with her studying. Spanky tells DD to tell mom she misses her and state she doesn't miss the snow.


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Stanford. A name she will be proud to carry her entire live, (which when the $120 thousand is amortized over isn't very much).
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I have nothing against UW Madison but the Silicon Valley & Stanford is where the action is in her field.

The importance of professional networks cannot be underestimated and a degree from Stanford in her field needs no explanation. Alumni relationships with students transitioning to employment is outstanding.
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Is is possible to get some sort of part time research job? I think 120k is too much, if this can be reduced to 50k, then Stanford degree is worth it. At least two of my ex-workers were from Stanford, one was really smart, second one was good like many others. Having said that, second person got job in Google.
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Has she applied for aide ? She may get a very generous offer from Sanford which may sway her decision. My son went to MIT and his package was very generous .
No, she has not. Stanford does offer very, very generous financial packages for undergrads - students with parental income less than $60K can attend for free, less $100K = free tuition, >$100K will also qualify for some assistance.
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Which school does she want to attend?
If all things were equal (or close enough), she would choose Stanford.
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I can hear it now, after the start of the school term...

2 weeks later: Spanky to DW - DD called, she misses you. Spanky tells DD to tell mom she misses her.

1 month later: Spanky to DW - should we visit DD, I know she misses u. Spanky tells DD to tell mom she misses her.

2 months later: Spanky to DW - it's kinda quiet hear, I miss DD. DD is doing great in CA, do u miss her? Spanky tells DD to tell mom she misses her.

3 months later: Spanky to DW - should we do something different for the holidays, like visit DD. It'll be a great surprise to DD. Spanky tells DD to tell mom she misses her.

Beginning of MN Winter: Spanky to DW - wow, it's alot of snow, I hate to replace the old snow blower, I bet DD is comfortable in CA, I wonder how she's doing? Spanky tells DD to tell mom she misses her and state she doesn't miss the snow.

Middle of MN winter: Spanky to DW - my bone chills, I wish it was as warm as CA. I wonder if DD is enjoying coffee at the outside cafe with her studying. Spanky tells DD to tell mom she misses her and state she doesn't miss the snow.


Yes, that's a great strategy to move the entire family to the Bay Area.
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Good points. These benefits may easily out-weight the cost.
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People are making it sound like it will be hard for her to get established in Silicon Valley with a masters from Madison.

I don't think a woman with an undergrad in EE/CS and a masters in CS from Madison is going to have any real difficulty in going out to Silicon Valley if she is any good.

The most comparable person I know (masters EE from UofMinn) got snapped up pretty quick by some company out there.
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What great news. Congratulations! Now, who pays for Stanford?

It might be worth the extra cost if you can articulate in few words exactly what that worth is. For example, their graduates have a high rate of employment where (location, company, ect) I want to work. If there's not a specific purpose in mind, the "Stanford advantage" might not be such.

It also may be worth the extra if the additional cost is not significant.

My experience was that the University name guaranteed interviews in some highly sought-after employers. When a personnel decision was to be made, all other thing being equal, it was a tie-breaker. Once the person got hired, however, it never again mattered where they studied, just what they were able to contribute.

An unsubsidized $150K debt is quite a burden for a new graduate. Kind of like starting a swim match with lead weights around the legs. Joining the work force debt free is a positive enabling force.
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The question IMHO is the return on investment. My daughter choose Santa Clara U for her undergraduate degree. The tuition made me choke but I took a look at the placement rate of their graduates and changed my mind. She are now about 15 years post diploma and doing VERY well financially.
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People are making it sound like it will be hard for her to get established in Silicon Valley with a masters from Madison.

I don't think a woman with an undergrad in EE/CS and a masters in CS from Madison is going to have any real difficulty in going out to Silicon Valley if she is any good.

The most comparable person I know (masters EE from UofMinn) got snapped up pretty quick by some company out there.
I agree that any decent engineering school will suffice. Even now I am having problem finding an associate software engineer. I made a couple of offers recently and they have decided to accept a position elsewhere. The candidates are expected to graduate in May from not top but very good engineering schools, Michigan Tech, Penn State U and U of Minnesota.
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The question IMHO is the return on investment. My daughter choose Santa Clara U for her undergraduate degree. The tuition made me choke but I took a look at the placement rate of their graduates and changed my mind. She are now about 15 years post diploma and doing VERY well financially.
Hi Brat,
The ROI is small or nil if you are comparing potential difference in earning between the two schools. University of Wisconsin at Madison is considered a top university (a member of Public Ivies).
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While I cannot argue that Stanford has more "prestige" than UW-Madison, UW-Madison may be the best value for the money of any university out there........
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