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Old 01-03-2011, 11:39 AM   #21
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Old 01-03-2011, 11:42 AM   #22
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Does anyone have a bidet? (bottom washer). What would be the breakeven point between water consumption and TP?
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Old 01-03-2011, 11:42 AM   #23
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Where is "three squares Sarah" to chime in?
LOL! I was just thinking that it was time for me to admonish you overusers of TP to spare some of that roll!
Count 'em out!
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Payback for bidet vs TP is calculated as; BMs per day times cost of squares used per wipe times 365 days of the year, divided by cost and installation of said bidet.

For some here at the ER forum, payback would no doubt be less than a year.

Your mileage may vary though depending on diet.
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All I have to add is this is the crappiest post so far in 2011......
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Wonder what the breakeven is for a Bidet, drip dry of course. If wanting a blow (heh, heh -here is the opening for the imagainative) dry with hot air, it will drive up the operating costs.

edit: oops, just saw Frayne's Formula.
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Payback for bidet vs TP is calculated as; BMs per day times cost of squares used per wipe times 365 days of the year, divided by cost and installation of said bidet.

For some here at the ER forum, payback would no doubt be less than a year.

Your mileage may vary though depending on diet.
Yes, but what about operating costs of said bidet? What is the water volume per use? Is the water heated?
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Yes, but what about operating costs of said bidet? What is the water volume per use? Is the water heated?
Water cost of a bidet vs a regular flush are proportional, don't ask me how I know this.

As far as electrical costs, I'll have to pull a number out of my posterior.
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Is the water heated?
Now wouldn't that be fun... particularly in northern climes. Maybe, it could be rigged to randomly give a little squirt, also.
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If you would like, I can conjure up a formula for those so inclined, it won't be firecalc based unless you consume spicy rich foods.

I will only do this if the mods promise me an archive and link to this all important thread.
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If you would like, I can conjure up a formula for those so inclined, it won't be firecalc based unless you consume spicy rich foods.

I will only do this if the mods promise me an archive and link to this all important thread.
I just need to know the safe withdrawal rate.

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My father, who grew up on a farm in rural Illinois, used to tell me about the rules for the outhouse. There were both red and white corncobs available. You were supposed to use a red one, then you could use a white one to see if you needed another red one.

Eventually, I got to check his story out with his mother. Her reply was to snort, saying "Nonsense! That's what the Sears catalog was for."

She also disabused me about Dad's tales of bringing lard sandwiches to school, although his claim of walking three miles each way to a one-room schoolhouse proved to be accurate, much to this city kid's amazement.
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If you would like, I can conjure up a formula for those so inclined, it won't be firecalc based unless you consume spicy rich foods.

I will only do this if the mods promise me an archive and link to this all important thread.
If you start making a stink about archiving your posts, this thread will get flushed for sure.
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There is no safe withdrawal rate my dear Bestwifeever !

Payback for bidet vs TP cost per year is calculated as; BMs per day times cost of squares used per wipe times 365 days of the year, divided by cost and installation of said bidet.

P= Ppd or Poops per day
Q= cost per sheet(s) of TP per poop
s= 365 days of the year
Y= cost and installation of said bidet

P*Q*s/Y= Payback in years*

  • Assuming water consumption for each flush and bidet wash are equal. This is strictly an empirical observation !
This is why minding your Ps and Qs are so important !





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I'm almost afraid to look at the posts on this thread - for fear of laughing myself to death!
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That's what the Sears catalog was for."
Actually, a visit to my DW's grandmother's farm (with outhouse) confirmed this fact. This was about 45 years ago.

Today? We stick to the "three shells". No TP (or Sears catalogue) needed...

(of course, the "3 shells" is in jest):
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I don't understand how you folks can be so wasteful and use multiple sheets when one works perfectly well. From "The Boy Scout Manual":

1. Tear out a small hole in the center of one the sheet of toilet paper.
2. Retain the removed piece for future use
3. Insert finger of choice into the hole
4. Clean the affected area thoroughly
5. Remove the sheet from your finger, using it to wipe finger clean
6. Use the remaining small piece to clean fingernail.

Note: This is also known as digital cleansing. The analog method is really rough, especially if you forget to remove the bark...
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There is no safe withdrawal rate my dear Bestwifeever !

Payback for bidet vs TP cost per year is calculated as; BMs per day times cost of squares used per wipe times 365 days of the year, divided by cost and installation of said bidet.

P= Ppd or Poops per day
Q= cost per sheet(s) of TP per poop
s= 365 days of the year
Y= cost and installation of said bidet

P*Q*s/Y= Payback in years*

  • Assuming water consumption for each flush and bidet wash are equal. This is strictly an empirical observation !
This is why minding your Ps and Qs are so important !





I need to get a life.
What about the consistency of the poop? Was it seedy, rocky or liquid? Explosive? Colo(u)r: Yellow, green, pale? How many diapers?

I have been hanging out with nurses for WAYYY too long.....right Moe?
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Too difficult to calculate coefficients for the different variations of, oh well never mind.

And to think people thought we didn't know our **** !

Somebody just shoot me, please.
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