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Old 04-13-2016, 07:55 AM   #21
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Originally Posted by Gone4Good View Post
The way to plan for an uncertain future is to make sure you have the resources to handle whatever may come.

Planning for an old age of reduced consumption, meanwhile, becomes a self fulfilling prophecy, regardless of whether you actually want to spend less during your later stages of life.
Excellent way to put it!

Seems odd to me that someone posting under the handle "Options" would not want to keep their options open!


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Originally Posted by RobLJ View Post
Some may be interested in a recent article on annuitization (immediate or deferred, not indexed) by Swerdloe.
Swedroe: Annuities & Problems Of Longevity |

While most of this has been discussed on other forum posts, I wonder if any are considering some use of deferred annuitization--or have implemented it--, after the ruling allowing deferred annuities to satisfy (or actually decrease) annual RMD requirements:

" In July of 2014, the Treasury department issued new regulations surrounding the purchase of deferred-income annuities in tax-deferred accounts.
The new regulations allow for the purchase of deferred-income annuities in qualified retirement accounts that begin payments after age 70.5 without violating RMD rules. However, there are certain requirements the qualified annuity must meet in order for the IRS to allow for annuitization after age 70.5:
  • Only 25% of any retirement account (or 25% of all pre-tax IRAs aggregated together) can be invested into a deferred income annuity.
  • The cumulative dollar amount invested in all deferred-income annuities across all retirement accounts may not exceed the lesser of $125,000 or the 25% threshold. The $125,000 amount will be indexed for inflation, adjusted in $10,000 increments.
  • The limitations will apply separately for both spouses with their own retirement accounts.
  • The deferred-income annuity must begin its payouts by age 85 (or earlier)."
I'm not sure how this works in practice, but assume that the RMD annual amount would be figured on the amount in retirement funds excluding the annuitized amount.

At this point, I'm not planning to do it, based on the current interest rate environment, but would consider it in the next few years if/when interest rates rise.

The scenario table was also interesting (particularly the spending improvement line), but I'm not sure how to interpret it, other than as a theoretical increased spending rate, based on annuitization.
Thanks for posting. Interesting article. The idea/benefits of insuring longevity risk has been around for a long time (tontine, e.g.).

But I don't understand the fuss about retirement accounts investing in deferred annuities. Don't the above regulations limit you to 25% of your IRA balances, or $125k? I do see how you could reduce your RMDs and insure longevity, but I thought a benefit of insuring longevity was to allow increased current spending, maybe requiring higher D.

I'll take the advice of the author and put off any decision on income annuities until I'm at least 75.

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