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Old 02-13-2016, 07:47 PM   #21
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Really? You've always heard longevity "blamed" on being rich rather than exercise, weight control, not smoking? I've pretty much always heard the other factors.

I've also come to learn that when someone uses "political correctness" in their argument, they usually don't have a real basis for their point.
We've all heard about the other factors. I was trying to say that often the tone of many of these articles seems to be how "unfair" it is that rich people have yet another advantage that poor people don't have.
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Old 02-13-2016, 08:06 PM   #22
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I plan to live till to 200 years old .. haha. I'm going to reprogram that genetic defect called 'aging' artificially programmed into our DNA by the Gods of Noah and Abraham. Before the Tower of Babel and Nebuchadnezzar, Methusala, Abraham, Noah, and Enoch .. they lived from 300 - 800 years old. Then after the revolt towards the divine God, 'God' (as the bible indicated) said 'man will only have a lifetime of around 100 years old'.
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I plan to live till to 200 years old .. haha. ...
Ray Kurzweil would say not to aim so low. Then again, an uploaded consciousness would likely have an exceedingly low SWR.
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200 yrs will give me enough time to do more research on how to live to 1,000 years old and discover the Philosopher's Stone and live like the Gods of Sumeria. LOL. But then again, the world will be in turmoil, and it may not pleasant to live beyond the 23rd century Ray Kruzweil will upload his consciousness to a robot. I would rather be trans-human to get to 1,000 yrs old.

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Old 02-14-2016, 07:36 AM   #25
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I think the article was spot on. Very accurate IMHO. We see it when we travel.

Just take a look at the link between obesity and longevity and compare the rates in Mississippi, Louisiana, or Alabama to those in Mass or NH. Same with smoking. Obesity in NA schools has become a major health challenge.

Add to that the growth in processed foods and fast foods.

It is one reason why the US has such a high per capita spend on health care yet outcomes that are similar to Costa Rica.
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Agree with most of the (serious) responses. I wonder if the effect increases for the top 1%? Doubtful I think. Intelligence may be the root causal factor? They should do a study on that. Anyway let's just hope our politicians don't take up the cause of how unfair this is and "fix" the problem by taxing the "rich" more. Although any attempt to redistribute wealth to the bottom 10% might just make matters worse. Ie they might just smoke more, get more obese, and abuse Oxi-contin more.
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Agree, as modified. ;-). We won't give up our wine cellar!
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Longevity is a mute point if there is no quality of life in those differential years. I'd rather die at seventy with a pack of camels in my shirt sleeve, a fifth of Jim Beam and a few cute little 60 years old on my arm than having someone changing my diapers in some rest home when I'm eighty years old.
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Longevity is a mute point if there is no quality of life in those differential years. I'd rather die at seventy with a pack of camels in my shirt sleeve, a fifth of Jim Beam and a few cute little 60 years old on my arm than having someone changing my diapers in some rest home when I'm eighty years old.
One can't assume there is no quality of life in extra years of living. Unless one suddenly drops dead, there is normally a gradual (or not so gradual for some) decline in the later years, regardless of whether one lives to 80 or to 95.

I don't want to be in diapers, but if it comes down to that, then I'd prefer that if be from 90 to 95 rather than from 75 to 80.
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My income while working probably put me in the top 10% and we live in an "appropriate" neighborhood, but I also had another job where I worked in a lower blue collar community.


The number of continuously bad choices made by the low education/low income group was stunning, and their health status was only part of the issue.
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I think this phenomenon is mostly confined to US. If you look at most other countries rich or poor you don't generally find this to be true because often people don't eat differently based on socio-economic factors, with some exceptions of course. Often they eat based on how they've eaten for generations and there is less availability of junk food and more access to fresh fruits and vegetables. In addition, poor in other countries don't have access to prescription narcotics and hardcore drugs and sometimes when they do, it's a cultural taboo to take them. For example, the poor in Costa Rica live much much longer than the poor in the US even though the poor in the US have better access to health care.


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There is a reason that mortality rates are weighted by pay or pension amounts when constructing a mortality table. I don't see how this is news or some sort of epiphany.
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There is actually much talk among socialist parties here in Europe about giving poor people higher pensions because they tend to live shorter and have longer careers (work at 18 vs. study until 24). I didn't realize the difference was that big.
That would probably be age-discriminatory in the US (i.e. paying a higher benefit to those with a younger age, ceteris paribus) .

Also, it would incent spending down assets to get a higher pension.
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One other thing to note regarding SS, the ROI for a maximum earner is much, much lower than the ROI for a career at half the taxable wage base.
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Longevity is a mute point if there is no quality of life in those differential years. I'd rather die at seventy with a pack of camels in my shirt sleeve, a fifth of Jim Beam and a few cute little 60 years old on my arm than having someone changing my diapers in some rest home when I'm eighty years old.

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Although...if one is dead....being mute is S.O.P.
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Longevity is a mute point if there is no quality of life in those differential years. I'd rather die at seventy with a pack of camels in my shirt sleeve, a fifth of Jim Beam and a few cute little 60 years old on my arm than having someone changing my diapers in some rest home when I'm eighty years old.
Not sure I buy the article but I agree with "most of your comments". My changes/edits in red.

if there is no quality of life in those differential years. I'd rather die at seventy with a pack of camels Marlboros in my shirt sleeve, a fifth of Jim Beam Crown Royal and a few cute little 60 30 years old on my arm than having someone changing my diapers in some rest home when I'm eighty years old any age.
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