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Old 06-26-2008, 04:45 PM   #21
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I suspect we are close to a bottom because Dad called out of the blue today and wanted to know if we should sell everything because the market was crashing.
I agree. There is a lot of garbage out there that probably should never have gone public.

But I have been investing a long time, and to me right now a world wide fire sale on blue chips is being held-US, Europe, and Japan. I expect to come out of this with a higher income than I need, mostly made up of strong equities with high profit margins and low to moderate maintenance capital needs and with a long history of frequent dividend increases.

For a long time I have wondered if this would be possible, and it appears that it is.

If you hold solid companies, now is likely not the time to panic

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I don't get it. No one was complaining last year when the market was 20% overvalued. Shouldn't we all be doing the happy dance now that the market is 20% off its peak and heading for undervalued?!?

Just made my spouse's final IRA contribution. Our asset allocations are holding steady, and Berkshire Hathaway is having a blue-light special sale this month.

I'll be surfing...

If I had a Cola pension I'd be doing the happy dance. At this point I'm a wall flower.
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Instead of playing the market - Texas real estate is the answer. Make sure you get the mineral rights.

About 25 years ago I bought 500 arces of prime Texas pasture land. Then about a year or so ago lady luck smiled on this poor devil.



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Congrats Wags. You on the Barnett shale?

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Congrats Wags. You on the Barnett shale?

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I have been thinking about changing my middle name to Buddy Ebsen or J.D. Clampett.

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I don't get it. No one was complaining last year when the market was 20% overvalued. Shouldn't we all be doing the happy dance now that the market is 20% off its peak and heading for undervalued?!?

Just made my spouse's final IRA contribution. Our asset allocations are holding steady, and Berkshire Hathaway is having a blue-light special sale this month.

I'll be surfing...
It could still be overvalued if the actual value of the corporations are dropping faster than their stocks.
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And not gloating about it, nope, not at all...
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There is enough bad news to keep this bear market going for quite some time.
Who knows? Personally, I suspect you're right.

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And much of the rest of the world doesn't seem to have a problem sticking it to the US this time around.
I'm not quite sure what you mean. Money effectively knows no borders, and goes wherever it can find the best risk/reward combination. Given such obvious problems as the unsustainable current account deficit and the ever-increasing federal debt (to name but two examples), many investors (including Americans) are understandably loath to put money into the US economy or the greenback; but that has nothing to do with any desire to "stick it to the US".
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Yep, I still cant figure out real estate and equities. Everything goes on sale and people run screaming for the exits. Overprice everything and everyone stands in line with their checkbook in hand, screaming to buy.

If you dont have a plan that gets you through a 3 year trough, you have a bad plan.

If you dont have a plan with a spending reduction program and some other ways to defer volatility risk, you have a bad plan.
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Yep, I still cant figure out real estate and equities. Everything goes on sale and people run screaming for the exits. Overprice everything and everyone stands in line with their checkbook in hand, screaming to buy.
"Greed" and "fear", respectively. Two powerful emotions, that's for sure.
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This is something I've always wondered . How do you cash out if most of your investments are in taxable accounts ? How do you handle the tremendous capital gains ? And where do you put the money ? Sorry if this question is elementary .
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Not speaking for Helena, but the way it usually works is your cash gets eaten alive by inflation, the market rebounds and you miss getting back all of the money you lost, and then you get clobbered with a huge capital gains tax next april.
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the time to worry and try to figure out if we are headed into a prolonged recession was last october...you missed it folks .... now the only question should be should we hold a little more money on the side if we arent in or put it all in now
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Not speaking for Helena, but the way it usually works is your cash gets eaten alive by inflation, the market rebounds and you miss getting back all of the money you lost, and then you get clobbered with a huge capital gains tax next april.
Well in my case, as much as I have bitched and moaned, I have not sold. But I'm getting clobbered by inflation and a bear market. Not a good recipe for success, to borrow another poster's line. But I hope you are right about the market rebounding at some point. Hard to see anytime soon.
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This is something I've always wondered . How do you cash out if most of your investments are in taxable accounts ? How do you handle the tremendous capital gains ? And where do you put the money ? Sorry if this question is elementary .
I sold a significant chunk (20%) of my port last August and was able to offset the gains by selling what was left of some nearly worthless tech stocks. I've been buying all the way down here recently, including today. I sure could be wrong, but this market looks like a great opportunity...
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the time to worry and try to figure out if we are headed into a prolonged recession was last october...you missed it folks .... now the only question should be should we hold a little more money on the side if we arent in or put it all in now
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"Greed" and "fear", respectively. Two powerful emotions, that's for sure.
Yep. And the ones that are the most likely to kill portfolios. You may make a lucky call based on greed or fear once in a while. But if you live that way, ultimately you're going to be doing a lot of buying high and selling low.
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