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Old 11-08-2018, 03:37 PM   #841
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Have an attic?

My Tivo upstairs is fed from a large UHF antenna installed in the attic.
We basically have this setup.

An antenna on our ground floor only picks up one channel. But up on the second floor we get all the major channels in our area.

So we have the TiVo Bolt upstairs and a TiVo mini downstairs streaming its content from the upstairs TiVo.
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We basically have this setup.

An antenna on our ground floor only picks up one channel. But up on the second floor we get all the major channels in our area.

So we have the TiVo Bolt upstairs and a TiVo mini downstairs streaming its content from the upstairs TiVo.
How does your Bolt connect to the Mini?
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I used the existing coax wiring we have in the house. TiVo supports Ethernet over that (MOCA is the standard), it works great.

Regular Ethernet is also an option. WiFi isn’t - my brother tried that and had really poor results. It was unusable.
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I used the existing coax wiring we have in the house. TiVo supports Ethernet over that (MOCA is the standard), it works great.

Regular Ethernet is also an option. WiFi isn’t - my brother tried that and had really poor results. It was unusable.
So can I use my coax to feed the antenna signal to the TVs in my house and to distribute the TiVo recordings to those same TVs as well?
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So can I use my coax to feed the antenna signal to the TVs in my house and to distribute the TiVo recordings to those same TVs as well?
I'm not 100% sure since that's not my setup.

And I'm not sure why you'd want to do that either. My TiVo BOLT has 4 tuners. Each TiVo mini can watch watch live TV using the BOLT's tuners. So, for example, you could watch live TV on the TV attached to the BOLT and three other TVs attached to minis - and still watch a recording on you iPhone/iPad/etc.

Still, if you want to use the Coax cable for multiple uses you should be able to - as long as they are using different frequencies that don't interfere. Here's a article discussing some of these setups and issues:

https://support.tivo.com/articles/In...etworking-Help

A lot depends on the specifics of the splitters and filters you use.
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Don't you have to pay a monthly fee for your Tivo devices?
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Don't you have to pay a monthly fee for your Tivo devices?
You pay for the guide information. Either monthly or up front as a lifetime thing. Often, when they are on sale the lifetime guide data is priced pretty reasonably.

Over the years we always buy the lifetime guide data. It sticks to the device and they last a pretty long time.

Also, the TiVo mini's don't require you to pay for the guide data. They piggyback off the main device.
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I'm not 100% sure since that's not my setup.

And I'm not sure why you'd want to do that either. My TiVo BOLT has 4 tuners. Each TiVo mini can watch watch live TV using the BOLT's tuners. So, for example, you could watch live TV on the TV attached to the BOLT and three other TVs attached to minis - and still watch a recording on you iPhone/iPad/etc.

Still, if you want to use the Coax cable for multiple uses you should be able to - as long as they are using different frequencies that don't interfere. Here's a article discussing some of these setups and issues:

https://support.tivo.com/articles/In...etworking-Help

A lot depends on the specifics of the splitters and filters you use.
I have fiber optic internet so only use my existing coax for OTA TV. All of my TVs receive the signals directly from the antenna through my coax network. I have my TiVo Roamio 1TB OTA DVR on my main TV but would like to distribute the recorded content to my other TVs. I don't know if I even need the filters since my coax network carries only TV and my internet is carried over a separate Cat5 network. I don't use my TiVo for streaming but instead have streaming devices (mostly Chromecasts) on all TVs for that.
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Here's a very thorough explanation of why PBS is not on any of the live streaming services like Sling, Direct TV Now, Playstation Vue, etc. It's a complicated mix of programming rights, technological limitations, and donation considerations.

PBS and stations working on first ‘skinny bundle’ OTT agreement

The good news is that PBS is trying to resolve these issues by end of this year. They very much want to be available on these fast-growing platforms. Unfortunately, in the beginning, it might not be the actual local member station feed, but some combination of the National PBS feed supplemented with local and syndicated programming as the streaming rights are obtained. Apparently the streaming services don't even want the local feeds, just the national programming. But without actual local feeds, member stations are concerned that donations will dry up.

I already get the national stuff via the PBS app and my Passport subscription. It's the local and syndicated programming that I want, plus NewsHour at 6pm. I'll be very happy when this gets done.
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Don't you have to pay a monthly fee for your Tivo devices?
I have two Tivo Roamio OTA DVRs. One I paid $300 for brand new including lifetime guide service ($100 for the unit and $200 for the service). The other was reconditioned and I paid $200 for it including lifetime service. Both units were being made obsolete when I bought them and do not support things like 4K, etc. They are also slower compared to the new Bolt unit. But, they work reliably. Recorded OTA HD programs look great.

Monthly guide service at that time was $15 a month, after about 14 months the lifetime subscription is all gravy.

A good DVR, Netflix, Amazon Prime, and sometimes a DVD's from the library provide more content than I can possibly keep up with.
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Sony PlayStation Vue will be charging Chicago customers 9% amusement tax. This new tax also targets services like Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Music, and more.

Currently Sony is the only one to accept this and not fight it.

https://www.cordcuttersnews.com/chic...aystation-vue/


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Old 11-13-2018, 07:53 AM   #853
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Cutting the cord (one month in)

What we had and what we paid:
1. Comcast cable - “Digital Start + Digital Preferred” with 220 channels for $130/mo
2. HBO Now - current HBO channels for $15/mo
3. Netflix - $11/mo

What we have now and pay:
1. Hulu with Live TV - basic (no add ons) with 50+ channels for $40/mo
2. HBO Now - current HBO channels for $15/mo
3. Netflix - $11/mo
4. Two (2) new Apple TV boxes at $5/mo/each. Amortized over 3 years.

What we gave up:
1. Two local PBS channels - I know I can solve this with an OTA, but the wife’s aesthetic objection to the “unsightly” indoor antenna might be a problem. I was able to put a Mohu Leaf antenna in our basement and now we get one of the two PBS channels. We do have RMPBS Passport because of our annual donation.
2. DIY and Cooking
3. BBC America
4. TLC
5. A whole bunch of channels we don’t care about. Home Shopping Network, anyone?

How much we save each month:
1. $80/mo

What is different about our viewing habits:
1. We seem to be watching a greater variety of programming. More fiction, less “house/food porn” from Discovery.

P.S. And, we lost the electrical vampire known as the cable box.
What and who do you pay for Internet (assuming your Comcast amount was just for the TV services)?

We still have Comcast with a pretty good imo just-renegotiated two-year deal (one DVR box, 140 channels, “blast Internet” for <$100), and a Sony BluRay streaming box for our big TV. We have a smaller TV w/o cable and just got a Roku box for it. We have Netflix and Amazon Prime (which includes Prime Music and we have Acorn at $4.99 through Prime—we can easily add HBO etc to Prime). So when we cut cable we would just add Hulu or something to get local channels as our OTA antenna with our small TV can’t get CBS. Plus we’d need a DVR. We should have this cutting cable thing in the next two years but I don’t know that we would be saving $80 a month—that’s great!
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Cutting the cord (one month in)

What we had and what we paid:
1. Comcast cable - “Digital Start + Digital Preferred” with 220 channels for $130/mo
2. HBO Now - current HBO channels for $15/mo
3. Netflix - $11/mo

What we have now and pay:
1. Hulu with Live TV - basic (no add ons) with 50+ channels for $40/mo
2. HBO Now - current HBO channels for $15/mo
3. Netflix - $11/mo
4. Two (2) new Apple TV boxes at $5/mo/each. Amortized over 3 years.

What we gave up:
1. Two local PBS channels - I know I can solve this with an OTA, but the wife’s aesthetic objection to the “unsightly” indoor antenna might be a problem. I was able to put a Mohu Leaf antenna in our basement and now we get one of the two PBS channels. We do have RMPBS Passport because of our annual donation.
2. DIY and Cooking
3. BBC America
4. TLC
5. A whole bunch of channels we don’t care about. Home Shopping Network, anyone?

How much we save each month:
1. $80/mo

What is different about our viewing habits:
1. We seem to be watching a greater variety of programming. More fiction, less “house/food porn” from Discovery.

P.S. And, we lost the electrical vampire known as the cable box.
What you pay now is more than I pay for my cable with Spectrum. Some ungodly # of channels - everything they offer but the "premium" such as HBO and Sports, $69/mo. And I get free Netflix (thanks TMobile). I also have access to Amazon Prime Video as Amazon Prime customer. I'm using Tivo with Mini's in other rooms (purchased 5+ years ago, so well past being considered as amortized expense). So seems cord cutting wouldn't be advantageous for me and I don't give up anything.
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What you pay now is more than I pay for my cable with Spectrum. Some ungodly # of channels - everything they offer but the "premium" such as HBO and Sports, $69/mo. And I get free Netflix (thanks TMobile). I also have access to Amazon Prime Video as Amazon Prime customer. I'm using Tivo with Mini's in other rooms (purchased 5+ years ago, so well past being considered as amortized expense). So seems cord cutting wouldn't be advantageous for me and I don't give up anything.
1. Spectrum - "Sorry, Charter Services are not Available."
2. Netflix - We pay because our T-Mobile plan is $60/mo for 2 lines.
3. Prime Video - I did not mention it as everyone is an Amazon Prime customer.
4. Tivo - We are not DVR people. But, we really like how Apple TV + Hulu Live caches a few shows for us. We can now watch Chris Matthews head explode at any time, not just at 1700.
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Another way for the government sector to raise income.
Rather, more a matter of leveling the playing field, and restoring a tax revenue stream disrupted by technical changes running faster than public policy can keep up with. Twelve objections were raised about the tax, and those that weren't ludicrous on the surface still sought to exploit edge cases in order to nullify the legitimacy of the base case - the epitome of exploitation. It is one thing to oppose taxes entirely - naive perhaps, but still an internally-consistent perspective. But it isn't reasonable to oppose taxes on one way of consuming something while not opposing those taxes on all ways of consuming that thing, especially when what is being consumed is so-much-so essentially the same thing that those consuming it consider it a suitable alternative. Cord-cutters need to keep in mind that their advantage is explicitly an early-adopter advantage. There is nothing about streaming that makes is better for society than broadcasting - quite the opposite as it encumbers shared resources much more heavily. So the benefits of cord-cutting are, by their very nature, to be expected to be short-lived. Get in early and enjoy them while they last, but expect that eventually industry and public policy will catch up and the advantage will be gone.
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Here's a very thorough explanation of why PBS is not on any of the live streaming services like Sling, Direct TV Now, Playstation Vue, etc. It's a complicated mix of programming rights, technological limitations, and donation considerations.

PBS and stations working on first ‘skinny bundle’ OTT agreement

The good news is that PBS is trying to resolve these issues by end of this year. They very much want to be available on these fast-growing platforms. Unfortunately, in the beginning, it might not be the actual local member station feed, but some combination of the National PBS feed supplemented with local and syndicated programming as the streaming rights are obtained. Apparently the streaming services don't even want the local feeds, just the national programming. But without actual local feeds, member stations are concerned that donations will dry up.

I already get the national stuff via the PBS app and my Passport subscription. It's the local and syndicated programming that I want, plus NewsHour at 6pm. I'll be very happy when this gets done.
Good news thanks. We’re using Passport to get PBS too.

I’ve noticed PBS Newshour appears on YouTube every day even before it comes on live at 6pm where we live. They upload the full episode along with each story separately. I end up watching on YouTube more often than Passport these days. FWIW
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What we gave up:
1. Two local PBS channels - I know I can solve this with an OTA, but the wife’s aesthetic objection to the “unsightly” indoor antenna might be a problem. I was able to put a Mohu Leaf antenna in our basement and now we get one of the two PBS channels. We do have RMPBS Passport because of our annual donation.
2. DIY and Cooking
3. BBC America
4. TLC
5. A whole bunch of channels we don’t care about. Home Shopping Network, anyone?

How much we save each month:
1. $80/mo

What is different about our viewing habits:
1. We seem to be watching a greater variety of programming. More fiction, less “house/food porn” from Discovery.

P.S. And, we lost the electrical vampire known as the cable box.
On PBS - their app works very well on AppleTV. Since you have the passport, you should have access to a lot of shows. And local programming too once you log in and select your local station.

I signed in with a central Texas station I preferred and support them so I have passport access and it works very well.
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I already get the national stuff via the PBS app and my Passport subscription. It's the local and syndicated programming that I want, plus NewsHour at 6pm. I'll be very happy when this gets done.
I see numerous local shows available for the PBS channel I have selected available via the PBS app and my passport subscription.
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.........Cord-cutters need to keep in mind that their advantage is explicitly an early-adopter advantage. There is nothing about streaming that makes is better for society than broadcasting - quite the opposite as it encumbers shared resources much more heavily. So the benefits of cord-cutting are, by their very nature, to be expected to be short-lived. Get in early and enjoy them while they last, but expect that eventually industry and public policy will catch up and the advantage will be gone.
I agree that tax policy will ultimately be neutral from one delivery system to the other. However, streaming technology brought much more competition to the market. Many cable companies were monopolies or duopolies. Streaming has brought almost unlimited competition to anyone with an internet connection. Additionally, the streaming companies, Amazon, Netflix and others are also producing their own content, directly competing with traditional cable channels. IMO, while the tax advantage will likely go away, the increased competition (and its pricing pressure and increased choice) will likely continue and may even accelerate when 5G is added to the mix. At that point, there will be significantly more competition for the internet connection delivering the streaming source. These factors will likely continue to keep pressure on pricing .
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