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Speaking as a nuclear engineer-- if nuclear power is so clean & cost-efficient then why, after five decades of the technology, does it still provide only a minority of the U.S.'s energy consumption?
Well with you being a nuclear engineer you tell us !
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Well with you being a nuclear engineer you tell us !*
If that's your response to a rhetorical question, you have a lot of potential to be a nuclear engineer too!
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Speaking as a nuclear engineer-- if nuclear power is so clean & cost-efficient then why, after five decades of the technology, does it still provide only a minority of the U.S.'s energy consumption?
Why does it provide 50% of France's energy?
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Why does it provide 50% of France's energy?
Because France made an unwise bet on the technology.

When you add up all the costs of nuclear engergy -- including the cost of protecting the public from the waste for the next brazillion years -- it is not cost effective. So it's dirty; it's potentially dangerous; and it is expensive. That's a tough sell.
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As opposed to coal and petroleum...
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Marshac, I did mention that industrial plants have to control their odors. Did you know that bakeries have to control their odors? That wonderful smell of fresh bread contains ethanol it seems, and someone doesn't like it to get out into the street. Go figure.
I am positive that Marchac's dog vomit processing is exempt from both federal and state air pollution regs.....the potential costs of folks thinking he is running a meth lab.....well....
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When you add up all the costs of nuclear engergy -- including the cost of protecting the public from the waste for the next brazillion years -- it is not cost effective.* So it's dirty;* it's potentially dangerous;* and it is expensive.* That's a tough sell.* *
Not to mention the fact that the transportation sector is responsible for > 50% of oil consumption. Still waiting for nuclear powered cars.
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Not to mention the fact that the transportation sector is responsible for > 50% of oil consumption.* *Still waiting for nuclear powered cars.
If some natural gas could be diverted from space heating and electrical generation, a high quality very clean diesel can easily be made from NG.

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Not to mention the fact that the transportation sector is responsible for > 50% of oil consumption.* *Still waiting for nuclear powered cars.
Back in 7th grade art class I was cutting up some national geographic mags from the 1950s for a collage, and I do remember seeing a photo of a nuclear powered car. I loved the photo captions- 'happily glowing flasks' and such... awesome. Only in the 1950s can radioactive flasks be gay.

Oh baby, the Ford Nucleon.

[img width=750 height=500]http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-def/Ford-Nucleon-Concept-Car.jpg[/img]
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As opposed to coal and petroleum...
Relative to nuclear? Yes.
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I was just now searching for info on the US nuclear ship Savannah as my brain is rusty. I built a polystyrene model of her a thousand years ago. The metasearch engine came up with the following:

"The BEST neclear ship savannah PORN on the internet!"

Nords, did I miss something in my lab on redaionucleotides decay sequences?
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"The BEST neclear ship savannah PORN on the internet!"
Nords, did I miss something in my lab on redaionucleotides decay sequences?
You never looked behind all those plastic labels that are screwed onto the panels, did you? To say nothing of the back of the cover over the scram breakers...
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Nope.

The worst I saw was the janitor swigging whiskey behind the racks when the colonel brought a tour of important people through the TV center.

'Shore duty' (the Army equivalent thereof) was pretty dull. Most of the time. [Reminiscences edited mentally here.]
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If some natural gas could be diverted from space heating and electrical generation, a high quality very clean diesel can easily be made from NG.

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There are also coal-to-liquids plants being set up as we speak that could pretty easily churn out diesel fuel.

Of course, since there isn't enough coal to go around at the moment (like NG), we might as well be talking about the table that has wings which we could fly to the moon.
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Brewer,

I am aware of a big coal-to-liquids plant going up in China. One of many, if it works well enough.

All it takes is money. As an engineer, I encourage people with too much money to spend it (with me) to design wonderful plants.

As an investor, it is worthwhile to remember that we are talking about making commodity products for which there are substitutes. We are not talking about something new in the world that people can't live without. Would I spend my money on such a project? Not on your life.

Also, that higher prices reduce demand in the short term and in the long term. There was a ten-year period starting in the '70's when oil consumption was flat. It could happen again.

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I am aware of a big coal-to-liquids plant going up in China.* One of many, if it works well enough.*
Coal-to-liquid synthetic fuels work fine. Ask the Nazis. Goodwin's law was not just invoked...
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Coal-to-liquid synthetic fuels work fine. Ask the Nazis. Goodwin's law was not just invoked...
South Africa did a lot of this during the apartheid embargo as well.
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I am reminded of the Propane Bottle exchange system that enables a swap at many retail stores rather than going to a filling station. Imagine the possibilities?

How about swapping battery packs at convenience stores on long trips in your electric car? Swap a discharged one for a fully-charged one. Or maybe a LNG bottle?

When we are forced to change, it is amazing how inventive we can get.
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I am reminded of the Propane Bottle exchange system that enables a swap at many retail stores rather than going to a filling station. Imagine the possibilities?

How about swapping battery packs at convenience stores on long trips in your electric car? Swap a discharged one for a fully-charged one. Or maybe a LNG bottle?

When we are forced to change, it is amazing how inventive we can get.
Hey thats a good idea!
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