Ha: I have all these weird, truncated mental processes that I have to go thru now to buy and sell stocks. SU was a hormone stock for me because of the low dividend. It is a buy and holder to a normal person, especially at the price you got it at. I put some of the money from SU into FXEN, my Polish gas explorer. I'm waiting on that one thru a couple more years of ups and downs. This one is volatile, no earnings for quite some time--if ever. Thanks for the tar sands info, good stuff. I promise to pack it away and only slightly distort it when I'm ready to use it.