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Old 07-14-2014, 06:10 AM   #21
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I'm going to do it mainly because my wife would be happier back in her home country of Taiwan. By the time I retire she'll have been in the US nearly 30 years. She came over here for me and I owe it to her to return. And I really do enjoy it there and they have pretty good national healthcare.
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Old 07-14-2014, 06:30 AM   #22
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An acquaintance who split his time between Costa Rica and the US just renounced his US citizenship and moved full time to Costa Rica.

Although he had a lot of reasons, what pushed him over the edge was: "I can get almost the same health insurance for about $80 a month and not be forced by law to pay $1400 a month here."

Which leads to a question: If you're a US citizen living abroad, are you required to comply with the ACA?
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I would never expatriate, unless I was planning on coming back as an illegal alien.

I would have done it much sooner in life, where I could get free college, medical care and essentially be retired from day one.

The USA is the best country in the world, bar none. No one is clamoring to get into other countries. Here, they come by the droves.

My own mother retired in Mexico, and soon found out their banking laws to do help expats. If you have someone, like a bank employee, that steals a check from your new check order, you are out of luck if the check cashes before you notice (or before you even pick the check order from the bank)
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I met and spoke to a few expats in AUS and NZ. I think the unifying opinion I heard was that America didn't present the right concept for their growth. The opportunity available was more of a draw there, and it was easy for me to understand their opinions.

I'm aware of the tax situation, and that probably drives some to renounce. As with many things US, money is to be made by complexity.

There is far less violence, and not much arguing over Healthcare policy. One of the striking comparisons for me, was that I would not be tied to a job in later life for Healthcare. If I got sick, I would get treated, and not think of the many payment issues we have in the US.

The people I met had made the transition as young adults. I think US involvement with war might have some bearing too.
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Great thread, HaHa.

Thanks to the U.S. military, I have lived in Europe and Asia, thereby experiencing different cultures. I have always had wanderlust; like to travel, though less as I age. Anyway, with medicare, tricare, no mortgage, etc., what's the point of retiring overseas. You can always visit. OTOH, with smartphones, laptops, and satellite tv, it's easier than ever to live someplace else and still keep up with friends and relatives.
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An acquaintance who split his time between Costa Rica and the US just renounced his US citizenship and moved full time to Costa Rica.

Although he had a lot of reasons, what pushed him over the edge was: "I can get almost the same health insurance for about $80 a month and not be forced by law to pay $1400 a month here."

Which leads to a question: If you're a US citizen living abroad, are you required to comply with the ACA?
If you become resident somewhere else you don't need to worry about ACA. Of course you will have to worry about paying taxes in your new country of residence and you can not visit USA for more than 30 days a year.
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Since people began living in organized society some have enjoyed putting down roots and settling in while others move on in search of something else. The motives and reasons are as numerous as the people themselves.

I suspect that neither understands their own reasons for living this way, much less the motives of those that choose otherwise.
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The USA is the best country in the world, bar none. No one is clamoring to get into other countries. Here, they come by the droves.
Senator, I agree the US is one of the best countries in the world but no objective standard rates it as the best. It definitely makes it into the top 10 or 20 in the world and I always enjoy visiting it.

And there are people clamoring to get into other countries - legally and illegally.

If the US had less violence, more free health care, free university education and less inequality, then it would be a great country
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People also fall for "the grass is greener on the other side" syndrome too.
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free health care, free university education
'Free' stuff is expensive.
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Since people began living in organized society some have enjoyed putting down roots and settling in while others move on in search of something else. The motives and reasons are as numerous as the people themselves.

I suspect that neither understands their own reasons for living this way, much less the motives of those that choose otherwise.
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I could see weather being a motivator for some. It seems like the places with pleasant climates in the USA are usually high cost of living areas.

Since my wife's family is here in Minnesota, I am destined to die in the frozen wasteland.
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Why does anyone ever move abroad? There are many reasons. I have lived in three countries (including 3 years in the US) and my reasons for moving were opportunity, adventure and the desire to live in a tolerant culture. I made my international moves in my 20s and 30s but it would be far more difficult to contemplate doing the same for the first time in middle or late life when one's habits are more ingrained. I agree with those who said that acquiring permanent residency is important. For me, acquiring citizenship was key to belonging in a new country. Some people have suggested that I return to my home country now that I am ER. They fail to appreciate the difference between migrant workers and immigrants. I am a dual citizen and I could go back, but I might not like it. For now I have decided to stay put and visit.
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The USA is the best country in the world, bar none. No one is clamoring to get into other countries. Here, they come by the droves.
Oh my, (sigh).

We applaud your pride in your country, and every citizen should strive to support and maintain a country they can have pride in.

I think the citizens of Australia, Germany, France, the United Kingdom, Sweden, Norway, Italy (especially Italy these days), etc., may find your comment of 'no one is clamoring to get into other countries' highly amusing and typically American. Is there no world news in the US these days?

Your comment reminds us expats of one of the minor irritations of being a US expat abroad. We're the ones who get it in the ear hole when some prevailing American attitudes are exposed in public.

I had quite an enjoyable lunch last Thursday with close friends; except when I had to spend 1/2 hour explaining why, when one had just opened a new bank account, there was a section on the application form dedicated to the question "Are you now, or have you ever been, a (member of the) US Person (party)?

"Why the bloody hell do I have to answer a question like that in this country?"

Their conclusion: they find America (the company) bonkers, which they find curious since they quite liked most of the Americans (the people) they have met.
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28 year career expatriate and can honestly say I've traveled the world and enjoyed a rich variety of lifestyles and cultures.

That being said - I have zero intentions of retiring outside the USA.

Reasons -

Overseas life is all starting to wear on me, I want to be where people talk like me and think like me.

I want to retire where life is convenient and not an uphill struggle - like most of the overseas locations I have been posted.

Spent the last five years preparing a retirement retreat in the Northwest - a secure and well stocked nest in preparation for a future that may be quite different than today.

DW needs access to specialist medical facilities. May or may not be available outside the US where the general standard of health care is excellent.

Have no need to seek out a lower cost country as resources are sufficient to fund retirement.

I can always travel out to Thailand or the Alps or the Maldives as desired and for as long as desired. No need to permanently relocate.

+1 on the comment that you are taxed on global income regardless. A not so nice feature of carrying a blue passport.







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Wow, my experience could not be more different. I find life in the US to be stressful and hard even for the well off like us on this board. People outside the US seem relaxed, friendly, warm and welcoming. So much seems easier. With just a moderate amount of money you can live so well. While I do agree that the mentality especially in 3rd world countries can be narrow minded and the bureacracy daunting at times , I find that a certain level of open mindedness and acceptance is required to live and embrace a different culture.
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Isn't that the way communist countries work?

A previous poster indicated we incarcerate too many people here, yet they complained about high crime. By definition, that indicates we do not incarcerate enough.

With freedom, comes responsibility. Some people cannot handle freedom, and are best left to rot in prison. I recent met a person that killed one person with a knife, and was convicted of attempted second degree murder on a second. 20 years of probation was received. The only jail time was while he was waiting on his Court date.

One way to reduce crime is to do away with the 4th amendment to the constitution. Get rid of any search warrant requirements, and if you are caught with evidence that links you to a crime, let the Jury see it. If you say something before your lawyer is present, it doesn’t change the fact you committed the crime.

There is a lot of income inequality in other countries too, but the wealth is held by people or families in power. Most people can never get to that point in other countries, but here in the USA anyone can be a millionaire.
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Oh my, (sigh).

I think the citizens of Australia, Germany, France, the United Kingdom, Sweden, Norway, Italy (especially Italy these days), etc., may find your comment of 'no one is clamoring to get into other countries' highly amusing and typically American. Is there no world news in the US these days?
Wasn't one of the reasons that Breivik killed some 80 innocent people that he was angry about too much immigration into Norway? Irregardless, it seems like every country I visit have similar debates on immigration as we in the US do. They have more immigration than the locals are comfortable with.
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If it was not for the USA, all these countries would be speaking German today...
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Yikes, isn't this thread about being an expat?
Good lord, man, get out and get some air or something.
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