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 02-02-2011, 01:26 PM #1 Full time employment: Posting here.   Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 989 Yet another article on why humans aren't wired... ... for saving for retirement. The study asked a series of questions that most participants got wrong... no surprise there, but if anyone on this forum can't get all six questions correct you haven't been paying attention: Here are the six literacy questions. Nearly no one got all six right--68 out of nearly 14,250 tested, or fewer than 1 in 200. The fourth question was the most challenging. See how you do (the correct answers follow): 1. Chance of Disease: If the chance of catching an illness is 10 percent, how many people out of 1000 would get the illness? 2. Lottery Division: If five people share winning lottery tickets and the total prize is two million Chilean pesos, how much would each receive? 3. Numeracy in Investment Context: Assume that you have \$100 in a savings account and the interest rate you earn on this money is 2 percent a year. If you keep this money in the account for five years, how much would you have after five years? Choose one: more than \$102, exactly \$102 or less than \$102. 4. Compound Interest: Assume that you have \$200 in a savings account, and the interest rate that you earn on these savings is 10 percent a year. How much would you have in the account after two years? 5. Inflation: Assume that you have \$100 in a savings account and the interest rate that you earn on these savings is 1 percent a year. Inflation is 2 percent a year. After one year, if you withdraw the money from the savings account, you could buy more/less/the same? 6. Risk Diversification: Buying shares in one company is less risky than buying shares from many different companies with the same money. True/False Answers: 1. 100 2. 400,000 pesos 3. More than \$102 4. \$242 5. Less 6. False Why We're Not Wired for Successful Retirements - Yahoo! Finance= __________________
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 02-02-2011, 02:09 PM #2 Moderator   Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Northern Kentucky Posts: 9,632 I would be willing to bet money that even fewer would get a good score on this test in the USA. Sad. __________________ __________________ I thought growing old would take longer.
02-02-2011, 02:15 PM   #3
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 Originally Posted by braumeister I would be willing to bet money that even fewer would get a good score on this test in the USA. Sad.
"If you want to know how stupid people really are, just think how stupid the average person is and realize that half of them are stupider."
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That does go a good ways toward explaining the financial circumstances we see many people in. Probably the same people who we see making such intriguing fiscal and economic proposals these days.

Oh, I got 6 for 6.

 02-02-2011, 02:46 PM #4 Dryer sheet aficionado   Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 45 Did anyone else try to figure out the exact end value on question # 3, before reading the rest of the question?
02-02-2011, 02:52 PM   #5
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 Originally Posted by RockMonkey Did anyone else try to figure out the exact end value on question # 3, before reading the rest of the question?
sort of - I pictured a formula in my head, but didn't do the math. 100*(1 -.02)^5.

Most kids these days rely on the Pacific Northwest Tree Octopus to handle their finance calculations.

 02-02-2011, 03:00 PM #6 Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)Give me a forum ...   Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 10,272 I got stumped on the pesos because I didn't know the conversion rate. __________________ Yes, I have achieved work / life balance.
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 Originally Posted by RockMonkey Did anyone else try to figure out the exact end value on question # 3, before reading the rest of the question?
I started to but my eyes moved on to the simple question and I stopped. I am sceptical that less than half of 1 percent got the six correct. That would seem to put me in a pretty stellar group and I know I am not that smart.
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02-02-2011, 03:14 PM   #8
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 Originally Posted by donheff I started to but my eyes moved on to the simple question and I stopped. I am sceptical that less than half of 1 percent got the six correct. That would seem to put me in a pretty stellar group and I know I am not that smart.

I also think it strange that so many people did not get all 6... I think all 6 are pretty easy questions... I had even started to do the math in my head on #3 while reading the rest of the question (was wondering why the others were easy and this took some thinking)...

Sooo, 6 for me... and I bet on this forum it will be at least 1/3 get all correct...

 02-02-2011, 03:36 PM #9 Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)Give me a forum ...   Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 5,072 So... Spendthrift impatient/instant gratification dummkopf's financially illiterate don't save and invest therefore they are not prepare for retirement. Wow. Give those researchers the Nobel Prize!
 02-02-2011, 03:47 PM #10 Thinks s/he gets paid by the post   Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,083 I failed almost every test I took after age 10. I flunked out of college. I only got an 18 on ACT(best of 3 tests). I'm below average intelligence. Considering the above, I can't imagine how any adult could get any of those wrong. They were extremly easy elementary school level questions. #4 may have been a little difficult for some but that's it.
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 Originally Posted by aaronc879 I failed almost every test I took after age 10. I flunked out of college. I only got an 18 on ACT(best of 3 tests). I'm below average intelligence. Considering the above, I can't imagine how any adult could get any of those wrong. They were extremly easy elementary school level questions. #4 may have been a little difficult for some but that's it.
aaronc879:

That doesn't mean you aren't smart. Lots of smart people have been failed by our educational system and standardized testing. My guess is you have done well in spite of your "failings".

 02-02-2011, 04:04 PM #12 Moderator Emeritus   Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 16,563 I bet people missed #4 (solved it without the compounding) and got the rest right. __________________ “Would you like an adventure now, or would you like to have your tea first?” J.M. Barrie, Peter Pan
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Good grief. Who told you this? Was it the result of some written test, which you clearly are not wired for?

Humans were given intelligence to help us survive, not help us take written tests. Your posts are intelligent. You seem to be surviving and thriving.

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 02-02-2011, 04:51 PM #14 Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)Give me a forum ...   Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: East Nowhere, 43N Latitude, NY Posts: 9,017 Don't make me think...I'm a recovering high achieving braniac. And Aaron...the only person who is below average intelligence is the rotten person who convinced you to even think that about yourself. Chin up, man! __________________ "All our dreams can come true, if we have the courage to pursue them." - Walt Disney
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 Originally Posted by aaronc879 I failed almost every test I took after age 10. I flunked out of college. I only got an 18 on ACT(best of 3 tests). I'm below average intelligence. Considering the above, I can't imagine how any adult could get any of those wrong. They were extremly easy elementary school level questions. #4 may have been a little difficult for some but that's it.
Aaron!!! This is so not true. You are one of the smartest people who post to this board--you own your own place, you're so common sense about your finances and your job, you offer excellent responses to all of us, and you're what, onkly 30? And I bet you're at the top of the list for most of us of people we'd want to meet in real life.
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 02-02-2011, 05:48 PM #16 Thinks s/he gets paid by the post   Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: midwestern city Posts: 4,061 It is sad to know many people do not get 6 answers out of 6 right on this test. __________________ Very conservative with investments. Not ER'd yet, 48 years old. Please do not take anything I write or imply as legal, financial or medical advice directed to you. Contact your own financial advisor, healthcare provider, or attorney for financial, medical and legal advice.
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 Originally Posted by donheff I started to but my eyes moved on to the simple question and I stopped. I am sceptical that less than half of 1 percent got the six correct. That would seem to put me in a pretty stellar group and I know I am not that smart.
The analysis of this could depend on several factors.

Like, for instance, was it some random street corner asking a bunch of people the question? Or phone surveys during the day? Both of those would probably tend to be skewed with higher percentages of the unemployed and/or low-skilled workers...who probably are disproportionately filled with people who would have difficulty with these questions.

I am willing to bet that if you were to take a huge sample size of appropriate diversity in abilities, you probably wouldn't be too far away with the 'real world' fiscal analysis abilities of the average person, given how debt-laden this country is. However, remember that mathematical ability doesn't always correlate to fiscal success.

I'm 100% certain my grandmother (educated through 6th grade) would never know anyof these answers. And my father (some college) wouldn't do any better on the number crunching. Yet, they are both somewhat successful because they empirically know the answer without necessarily knowing how to solve or compute it.

Except for the inflation question: birthday/wedding/Christmas gifts they gave in 2010 are the exact same they gave in 1960. Which rocked if you lived in the 60s....not so much in the inflation-adjusted 21st century.
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 02-03-2011, 04:35 AM #19 Thinks s/he gets paid by the post   Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,594 I wonder who the participants were. If I can get it ,I bet far more than 1 in 200 of my peers would score 100%
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