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Old 11-09-2012, 10:01 PM   #41
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Fine!

Since "foreigners" seem to like this heat, and I never do, I will just sell my main home here and move full-time to my boonies home. It's a bit colder in the winter, but I guess I will learn to live with it. At least there will be no scorpions there.
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Old 11-09-2012, 10:11 PM   #42
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Fine!

Since "foreigners" seem to like this heat, and I never do, I will just sell my main home here and move full-time to my boonies home. It's a bit colder in the winter, but I guess I will learn to live with it. At least there will be no scorpions there.
I could certainly understand your feelings. Although I liked the 100 degree weather when the sun went down, I don't think I could stand the relentless daytime heat with blazing sun day after day living there in the summer.
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I could certainly understand your feelings. Although I liked the 100 degree weather when the sun went down, I don't think I could stand the relentless daytime heat with blazing sun day after day living there in the summer.
Maybe I just want to abandon my home to the invading "foreigners".

Just joking. You are all welcome. Just watch out for the scorpions! And bring as much water as you can.

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FWIW. I would have thought there were other states with nominal population lost, evidently only MI in the 10 years ending 2010. Though it's clear movement is mostly southeast, TX and west (but not coastal). Note the national average was 9.7% so it can be argued that only the green states (and yellow above 9.7%) are netting real population increases. And northeast as a region continues to fall behind, largely thanks to COL and weather presumably. And who knows, 2020 may look different. I'm convinced that water shortages will eventually change the picture - time will tell...
I have never paid much attention to other states' economics, but the above info about different growth rates of different states made me very curious. For example, who knew Idaho's population was growing that fast? It's not hot like AZ, nor has the "interesting" critters of Texas, so what's special?

So, I did a bit of surfing and found this. FWIW.
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I live in NYC but I have considered relocating to Las Vegas. I am not into gambling, but the casinos come with some great entertainment and shows not to mention great restaurants such as those found in NYC and other places.

Also, LV is a reasonable distance to some of the best national parks in the country, especially in southern Utah and Arizona. For that matter, southern Cal is only a few hours away by car.

The COL is low, and the airport will connect you easily to virtually anywhere else you want to go.

I would be interested in hearing others chime in on Vegas as an early retirement locale.
It's almost 5 hrs from LV to Los Angeles. That's more than a few hrs at least by my reckoning. There are some good restaurants but both food and entertainment are a couple tiers down from the bigger cities. On The other hand the cost of living is pretty good. Personally I would consider LV as a decent choice as a home base if i was doing a lot of traveling. I have a couple friends in their late 70's that live there and they are happy with health facilties etc. they find themselves making regular trips to la to fulfill their cultural entertainent needs though. Not a problem for them cause they combine that with visits to their kids.
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In case anybody missed out, here are the dangers facing a newcomer to Texas: Peril in Texas.
Reading that list it sounds surprising that anyone could survive in Texas, let alone live an enjoyable life.

I think you're just exaggerating so no more people move there and you can have it all to yourself.
Hmmmmm - maybe not!

We had to "escort" a small rattler from our back yard this morning.

Fortunately, the little fellow was very docile, and didn't at all mind being picked up several times with trash pickers to get put into a bag, and then dumped unceremoniously near a ravine. Totally cool the whole time. Didn't realize he was in danger, I think.

Next time we'll get better snake handling equipment...

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Never did see the thing, but for several years a snake was using one of the holly bushes in my front yard to moult. At first it was relatively small, maybe two feet, but the last time I noticed, the skin was maybe five feet long.

Glad he/she took up residence somewhere else...
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What was the topic again?

As for where to retire, for now I plan to stay put in Stepfordville, here in the Dallas burbs. Hope to travel a bit, and visit friends and places around the country. I'm okay with city life, though it definitely has drawbacks. But I personally find small town or rural living too parochial. Not that there aren't plenty of opinionated people in the city, but it's easier to blend in, and go about your business unmolested. Harder to go against the grain in Smallville.

But that does bring up a point about not wanting to live in certain places for, shall we call it, "compatability" reasons. Just about anywhere one can live, there are places where you wouldn't want to make a wrong turn and end up there, whether it's a bad neighborhood in the hood, or up a holler somewhere wherein they "don't take kindly to strangers". But that covers a lot of territory, i.e. much of the planet...
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Tough luck on trying to scare people away with snake stories!

I do not remember how often I complained about the heat where I live. It was so disheartening to hear that people actually love the heat. Can you imagine that?

My last ditch effort was in trying to point out that Idaho is also a desirable spot, according to the map posted by Midpack. It is nicer, without the heat of AZ and critters of TX. Other than that, I am at my wit's end.
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...I will just sell my main home here and move full-time to my boonies home. It's a bit colder in the winter, but I guess I will learn to live with it. At least there will be no scorpions there.
Don't be so sure. I'm hearing not only stories of the rampant growth of bed bugs, but also the appearance of cold-tolerant "snow scorpions" showing up in some western states.
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You know, I was just realizing that the State Park 1/2 mile down the road has it made. We often see Indigo Snakes around their headquarters buildings and gardens - a shy species that loves to eat rattlesnakes. Their Nature Center building a little further on is surrounded by Roadrunners - another skilled rattlesnake predator. Now where can I hire me such a guard?
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Then there are other measurements for best states to retire in (BTW, we're #10 on this list):

10 Most Tax-Friendly States for Retirees - Kiplinger
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Rattlesnakes being scary? Nah, just another food source. I have heard it's just like chicken, only more expensive. Could be because it tastes even better than chicken, low-fat and all that good stuff.

Anyway, a western restaurant here had fried rattlesnake nuggets on the menu many years ago, but I did not try it. Recently, visited the place hoping to order it. Nope, they do not carry it anymore. Perhaps they have exhausted the supply here. Scorpions on the menu next? Perhaps tastes like shrimp?
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Then there are other measurements for best states to retire in (BTW, we're #10 on this list):

10 Most Tax-Friendly States for Retirees - Kiplinger
And these states are,

1. Alaska
2. Nevada
3. Wyoming
4. Mississippi
5. Georgia
6. Alabama
7. South Carolina
8. Louisiana
9. Delaware
10. Pennsylvania

Louisiana taxes on retirees are pretty low, other than big sales taxes.
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And these states are,

1. Alaska
2. Nevada
3. Wyoming
4. Mississippi
5. Georgia
6. Alabama
7. South Carolina
8. Louisiana
9. Delaware
10. Pennsylvania

Louisiana taxes on retirees are pretty low, other than big sales taxes.
I enjoy reading these types of lists, but one really has to tailor the info to their specific needs. It is all what you consider what a tax is. Alaska always has a high place on that list, but it is considered a high cost of living area. MO never seems to make the list, but when you figure everything in, it has to be one of the cheapest places to live in the country.
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I enjoy reading these types of lists, but one really has to tailor the info to their specific needs. It is all what you consider what a tax is. Alaska always has a high place on that list, but it is considered a high cost of living area. MO never seems to make the list, but when you figure everything in, it has to be one of the cheapest places to live in the country.

Wholeheartedly agree, generic lists are of use to no one (if you don't know what assumptions/criteria were used). That's why(among others) are far more helpful IMO...
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You can now add: "Colorado and Washington Most Herb-Friendly States for Retirees."
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But I personally find small town or rural living too parochial. Not that there aren't plenty of opinionated people in the city, but it's easier to blend in, and go about your business unmolested. Harder to go against the grain in Smallville.

But that does bring up a point about not wanting to live in certain places for, shall we call it, "compatability" reasons. Just about anywhere one can live, there are places where you wouldn't want to make a wrong turn and end up there, whether it's a bad neighborhood in the hood, or up a holler somewhere wherein they "don't take kindly to strangers". But that covers a lot of territory, i.e. much of the planet...
I have only read about places like you described in novels, small towns where most people have been there for several generations and know everybody in town. Outsiders may stand out and have problems fitting in.

Here in the West, there are few places where people are truly natives, and most people are transplants. People generally keep to themselves, and mind their own business. As long as a newcomer does not look like the type who is going to paint graffiti, or drives through town with windows rolled down with the bass thumping, nobody will care. That has been my experience, and of course I could be wrong.
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I enjoy reading these types of lists, but one really has to tailor the info to their specific needs.
+1. Planning to "Die Broke", we're not as concerned as some will be about estate taxes (not to mention some other criteria) so we're having to create our own list. We had to start somewhere, and as Wiki is often a good place to start.... State income tax - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Hmmmmm - maybe not!

We had to "escort" a small rattler from our back yard this morning.

Fortunately, the little fellow was very docile, and didn't at all mind being picked up several times with trash pickers to get put into a bag, and then dumped unceremoniously near a ravine. Totally cool the whole time. Didn't realize he was in danger, I think.

Next time we'll get better snake handling equipment...

And continue to keep our eyes sharp!
This is my go to for rattlesnakes.

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It is called the Gentle Giant snake tongs.
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Best state to retire: where you want to live.

Worst states to retire: where you do not want to live.
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