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Old 11-22-2013, 07:15 AM   #41
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After 52 days in stage 2, I have no expectations of moving on to stage 3 any time soon (or at all). It helps that I started my retirement with a full list of things to do.

I signed up for a little very part time consultancy as part of my exit arrangement so I would have a transitional period rather than go cold turkey but have already concluded that I don't need it.

Life is good.
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Old 11-22-2013, 08:35 AM   #42
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I have been managing about 50 people for some time. Outside of work, I sometimes catch myself acting like a leader that nobody asked me to . I have been in stage 1 for a short period and still have a lot of things to work out, including learning how to avoid stage 3.
Hey, it's ok Rob, we still have to have a few people around like you to get anything done. Can't have everybody hiding in the weeds like I am doing now.
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Old 11-22-2013, 11:43 AM   #43
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Stayed stuck in stage 1 and now am 3 weeks in Stage 2 and LOVING it!
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Old 11-22-2013, 01:15 PM   #44
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OMG, tell us which community you retire to so I can avoid it - can't stand those retired guys and gals who tell everybody else what to do and how to act, usually in a loud, attention-getting voice. (hopefully that's not you!)

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Not in a loud voice but often in a voice/tone that I know what I am talking about (most of the times, my DW tells me I don't ). Taking charge is habit forming (for men in particular) and can annoy others.

You put 3 well trained megacorp managers in a room and nothing gets done b/c they will spend the entire hour talking over each other .

Back to OT - I have to unwind my management ways and focus on "self." I believe it will reduce my stage 3 period.
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Old 11-22-2013, 01:39 PM   #45
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I am in stage one and plan to be stuck in stage two.
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Old 11-22-2013, 01:48 PM   #46
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I plan to take DW to the Grand Cayman Island foe three weeks shortly after I retire. That should be a good transition time! Ha! Especially if the weather at home is minus 30 below zero when we are snorkeling all day off the beach in front of our rented condo!
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Old 11-22-2013, 02:03 PM   #47
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Definitely stage 2, four months post ER. Hope to stay here a long time! My wife is starting to tell people that she doesn't think I will ever go back to work. And she knows me better than I do sometimes.
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I'll call myself stage 1.5: I am not really planning any longer; but, I have not pulled the plug yet. If the number of years spent getting to stage 2 (assuming I ever make it) is any indication, I would be very lucky to live long enough to move past that.
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Old 11-22-2013, 04:41 PM   #49
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According to these stages, I have passed through 3 (introspection), I am completing 4 (reorientation). As of March 2014, I will begin 5 (new routine). That is when I get off of the @#$#@!@#@ neighborhood HOA. (I got snookered in a moment of weakness.)

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For some people, adjusting to retirement is not an easy experience. Following the honeymoon period or a time of continued rest and relaxation, there may be a period of disappointment or uncertainty. A person may miss the feelings of productivity they experienced when working. Disenchantment with retirement can also occur if there is a significant disruption in the retirement experience, such as the death of a spouse or an undesired move.
In fairness, the article does expressly concede that retirement is an individualized process and that not everyone will necessarily experience all of the stages.

I doubt that many would deny that death of a spouse, or an unexpected move, would be demoralizing. Whether the negative effects would be significantly exacerbated by retirement is an open question.

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I'd replace stage 3 with "Introspection" and stage 4 as "Re-prioritization/refining of retirement goals". But if stage 1 was done well, stages 3 and 4 might not be necessary.
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According to study by Robert Atchley, there are 6 or 7 stages of retirement...

They are:
1. Pre-retirement planning
2. Honeymoon, relaxation period
3. Disillusionment
4. Reorientation
5. Retirement Routine
6. Termination of retirement, old age
I have stopped work for only 18 months, but I had been working on/off, and part-time at that, for nearly 10 years before that. So, I kind of knew what full retirement would be like before I started.

I think my phases will be like this, where I will be alternating between phases 2 and 5.

1. Pre-retirement planning

while (forever)
{
2. Honeymoon
3. Disillusionment
4. Reorientation

5. Retirement Routine
if (terminal illness) break;
}

6. Termination of retirement

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After 52 days in stage 2, I have no expectations of moving on to stage 3 any time soon (or at all). It helps that I started my retirement with a full list of things to do.

I signed up for a little very part time consultancy as part of my exit arrangement so I would have a transitional period rather than go cold turkey but have already concluded that I don't need it.

Life is good.
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1. Pre-retirement planning

while (forever)
{
2. Honeymoon
3. Disillusionment
4. Reorientation

5. Retirement Routine
if (terminal illness) break;
}

6. Termination of retirement

Clearly, a SW programmer. I haven't programmed in years but mine would be something like ...

While OMY {
if
my_asset > 2M then retire (2M)
else
work (megacorp);
}

retire (int myasset) {
while (myasset > 1) {
honeymoon;
}
}
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Yes, I programmed in assembly, Fortran, and C. Never web software but analytical software for simulation and analysis, and also embedded firmware.

And I also designed and built hardware including analog, digital circuits and RF circuits up to 2GHz.
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Yes, I programmed in assembly, Fortran, and C. Never web software but analytical software for simulation and analysis, and also embedded firmware.
Sounds all too familiar. My area was I/O controller, imaging SW, interrupt handler. When CPUs went multi-core, multi-threading, debugging became too complex and I jumped into management. Now, it's OMY in megacorp until I had enough.

Back to OT, I don't think I will have much of stage 3 but I will do some research and planning to avoid it altogether.
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Sometimes catch myself acting like a leader that nobody asked me to .
me too. Old habits are hard to break?

I haven't changed WRT to DW or friends (thank goodness), but when I am in a group setting with goals in front of us and the group is wandering (all over the place), I usually can't help myself...
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me too. Old habits are hard to break?

I haven't changed WRT to DW or friends (thank goodness), but when I am in a group setting with goals in front of us and the group is wandering (all over the place), I usually can't help myself...
Same here. One reason I volunteer a lot is so that I can exercise my leadership skills (ok, bossiness) on people other than DH. I've actually found that ER has helped a lot with that - w*rk was so stressful that I was rarely able to turn off the boss gene when I got home. I was pretty rough on DH and the kids at times, which I truly regret now.
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One hasn't truly experienced the joy of programming until you've experienced the holy trinity of programming, all done on IBM mainframes:

Assembly language
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JCL

I feel dirty just for typing those things...
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One hasn't truly experienced the joy of programming until you've experienced the holy trinity of programming, all done on IBM mainframes:

Assembly language
CICS
JCL

I feel dirty just for typing those things...
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Back in the day I had to modify the CICS source code(DFHERM) to fix a storage violation. My manager was funny, I told him the issue, what was wrong etc. He said well fix it, I protested, it's CICS!

He said its an assembler program, aren't you an assembler programmer? Then he told me to made the user mod, test it, and how to get it into an official fix from the vendors.

Happy day when it was officially fixed!

FYI - CICS is now part of Websphere, think it's called Transaction Server.

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One hasn't truly experienced the joy of programming until you've experienced the holy trinity of programming, all done on IBM mainframes:

Assembly language
CICS
JCL

I feel dirty just for typing those things...
This is how I started my career; I do not feel dirty about that at all. Rather, a bit sad reminiscing about a bygone era.
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One hasn't truly experienced the joy of programming until you've experienced the holy trinity of programming, all done on IBM mainframes:

Assembly language
CICS
JCL

I feel dirty just for typing those things...
It gave me a feeling of accomplishment to make it all work.
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