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Yes - you don't want a long, long trailer - that's a towing/backing nightmare. You don't want a heavy trailer either. I caution folks against the aluminum trailers because they usually are very heavy and seems like people often tow them with way underpowered vehicles - not good when you are in an emergency braking situation. Better to go with fiberglass.

Keep the trailer small/short, keep it light, and you can enjoy a great deal of RVing with minimal hassle, and then decide if you want to upgrade.

BTW - that movie is the funniest RV movie we've ever seen!

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Wow, I learned something today.....aluminum boats are LIGHTER than fiberglass boats, but aluminum trailers are HEAVIER than fiberglass trailers........
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In short, I do not find towing to be much of an issue even with a tow vehicle that isn't really designed for heavy duty towing (minivan).
Same here. We used something called a sway-bar that limits fishtailing, and we didn't drive like idiots. But an adequately powered tow vehicle and adequate braking is a must.

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Wow, I learned something today.....aluminum boats are LIGHTER than fiberglass boats, but aluminum trailers are HEAVIER than fiberglass trailers........
Well - I think it is all the wood inside that aluminum trailer. Compare a 16ft airstream with a 17ft casita and I believe the former is much heavier.

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10,000 miles lets us make a big coast to coast loop most years. We stay at a spot 3 days, 5 days, a week, 2 weeks - very rarely a month. Use the toad heavily of course for day trips.

You can see our travel pattern over the last 4 years -
This is what 40,000 miles looked to us... well the "lodging" cost anyway. We stayed at friends and relatives for a number of nights (e.g., two weeks in Annapolis MD and 1 weeks in Pittsburg PA). There were a few multi-night stays in here that are not obvious (none over three nights). The most we paid was in Key West FL and Jackson WY.

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8/5/2008 KOA Salina KS $ 29.70
8/6/2008 KOA Granite City IL 35.00
8/7/2008 Wolfies Kamping Zanesville OH 24.44
8/17/2008 Red Barn Rendezvous Edwardsville IL 27.00
8/19/2008 Double J Campground Chatham IL 29.00
8/20/2008 Kentuckiana Kampground Mackinaw IL 25.00
8/21/2008 Fish Lake Beach Volo IL 34.00
8/22/2008 Sky High Camping Resort Portage WI 41.78
8/23/2008 KOA Gretna NE 32.82
9/12/2008 KOA Rock Springs WY 30.88
9/13/2008 Virginian RV Resort Jackson WY 62.01
9/14/2008 KOA Cody WY 32.34
9/16/2008 Fort Caspar Campground Casper WY 16.74
10/6/2008 Panhandle Campground Guymon OK 10.00
10/7/2008 Gunsmoke Trav L Park Dodge City KS 29.00
10/8/2008 USI RV Park Wichita KS 30.60
10/9/2008 Fossil Creek RV Park Russell KS 22.00
10/11/2008 Wacky West RV Campground Valentine NE 13.44
10/28/2008 Happy Camper RV Park Pagosa Springs, CO 14.45
10/29/2008 USA RV Park Gallup, NM 28.03
10/30/2008 El Rancho Lobo RV Park Deming, NM 11.25
10/31/2008 Road Runner RV Park El Paso, TX 28.80
11/1/2008 Midland RV Campground Midland TX 42.50
11/3/2008 KOA Carlsbad, NM 39.77
11/4/2008 Enchanted Trails Albuquerque, NM 14.84
11/5/2008 Trailer Ranch RV Resort Santa Fe, NM 35.17
12/1/2008 KOA Salina KS 24.93
12/2/2008 Mingo RV Park Tulsa OK 28.00
12/3/2008 Mingo RV Park Tulsa OK 28.00
12/4/2008 KOA Choctaw OK 31.87
12/5/2008 KOA Choctoaw OK 31.87
12/6/2008 Wichita Falls RV Park Wichita Falls TX 45.00
12/7/2008 KOA Lubbock TX 21.55
12/8/2008 KOA Lubbock TX 21.56
1/31/2009 Ole Towne Cotton Gin RV Park Quanah TX 23.40
2/1/2009 KOA Montgomery TX (Houston North) 34.20
2/2/2009 KOA Houston TX 72.00
2/3/2009 KOA Houston TX 36.00
2/5/2009 Gulf Coast RV Resort Beaumont TX 17.50
2/6/2009 KOA Lafayette LA 39.73
2/7/2009 Maxie's Campground Broussard LA (Lafayette) 24.64
2/9/2009 KOC Kampground New Iberia LA 25.03
2/10/2009 Capri Court RV Park Houma LA 27.05
2/11/2009 KOA New Orleans LA 31.27
2/12/2009 KOA New Orleans LA 31.27
2/13/2009 KOA New Orleans LA 62.54
2/14/2009 KOA New Orleans LA 31.27
2/17/2009 KOA Lafayette LA 37.58
2/17/2009 Wispering Pines RV Resort Tyler TX 15.00
2/18/2009 Ole Towne Cotton Gin RV Park Quanah TX 23.40
3/14/2009 Palo Duro RV Park Canyon TX 20.00
3/15/2009 KOA Abilene TX 27.30
3/16/2009 Lonesome Dove RV Ranch Del Rio TX 15.00
3/17/2009 Warwick Rentals (Towne North RV) Laredo TX 25.00
3/18/2009 Breeze Lake Campground Brownsville TX 27.00
3/19/2009 Watersedge RV Park Rockport TX 26.10
3/20/2009 Lazy Longhorn RV Park Victoria TX 25.00
3/21/2009 KOA San Antonio TX 105.30
3/21/2009 KOA San Antonio TX 35.10
3/25/2009 Hwy 71 RV Park Austin TX 18.00
3/26/2009 Belton RV Park Belton TX 25.20
3/27/2009 KOA Abilene TX 31.79
3/28/2009 Lamar Sportsman's Campground Lamar CO 22.50
4/19/2009 KOA Salina KS 24.93
4/20/2009 Basswood Country Resort Platte City MO 35.90
4/23/2009 Park Ridge Campground Van Buren AR 20.00
4/24/2009 Tall Pines RV Park Shreveport LA 32.57
4/25/2009 Battlefield Campground Vicksburg MS 19.26
4/26/2009 Okatibbee Lake Waterpark Meridian MS 8.56
4/27/2009 KOA Tallahassee FL 32.40
4/28/2009 Ocean Grove Camp Resort St Augustine FL 39.24
4/29/2009 KOA Lion Country Safari - Loxahatchee FL 42.65
5/1/2009 Boyd's Key West Campgrounds Key West FL 75.00
5/1/2009 Boyd's Key West Campgrounds Key West FL 81.10
5/3/2009 Indian Creek RV Resort Fort Myers Beach FL 26.00
5/4/2009 A Campers World Campground Lamont FL 28.00
5/5/2009 River View RV Park Vidalia LA 20.05
5/6/2009 Tall Pines RV Park Shreveport LA 32.57
5/7/2009 Pavilion RV Park West Monroe LA 19.02
5/8/2009 Glen Oaks RV Park Waynesville MO 21.10
5/9/2009 KOA Goodland KS 26.82
6/8/2009 Indian Campground Buffalo WY 32.67
6/25/2009 Indian Campground Buffalo WY 69.34
7/12/2009 Indian Campground Buffalo WY 34.67
9/14/2009 KOA DuBois WY 27.68
9/15/2009 KOA Rock Springs WY 31.85
9/16/2009 KOA Grand Junction CO 26.43
9/17/2009 KOA Grand Junction CO 26.43
9/18/2009 Country Village RV Resort Montrose CO 16.53
9/19/2009 KOA Pueblo CO 34.60
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Thanks for the info on the used RoadTrek. I can get a used class C, a bit older and with about twice the mileage for half that price or less.
I know that a class B is not what you are looking for (and it is probably long gone anyway) but the price of this one should be encouraging... no matter what class you're looking for:

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... the price of this one should be encouraging... no matter what class you're looking for:

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So now I have to start vetting my posts by scrolling down? Humrph!
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In my search for a motorhome I ultimately gave up buying it privately (Craig's List, EBay, etc.). There was just too much BS to waste my time on.

In the current RV market you can get great prices from over-inventoried dealers, though I am told the prices are starting to rise a bit here and there.
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This is what 40,000 miles looked to us... well the "lodging" cost anyway. We stayed at friends and relatives for a number of nights (e.g., two weeks in Annapolis MD and 1 weeks in Pittsburg PA). There were a few multi-night stays in here that are not obvious (none over three nights). The most we paid was in Key West FL and Jackson WY.
Wow Ron - that's a lot of KOAs!

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OK WE MADE IT TO WEST MEMPHIS! (Just in case anyone was holding their breath!)

No problems at all driving here. Coach is handling really well. Brake pedal behaved and tires stayed cool. Driving around the south side of Memphis really stunk - ugh! But we made it.

We are now relaxing for a couple of days at Tom Sawyer's Mississippi River Park. This unique RV park is on an otherwise undeveloped section of land inside the levy right along the Mississippi River. Pull forward sites along the river let you watch the barges all day, and there is nothing but wildscape across the river, so it's easy to imagine we're seeing the same views Mark Twain did.

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Well, I finally worked on some of the photos from Tom Sawyer's Mississippi River RV Resort. With such a nice setting, even I can get excited about photographing barge traffic. This coal barge just looked enormous. We had a lovely sunny evening with heavy weather over TN providing a dramatic backdrop. This is the Bill Elmer pushing coal down the Mississippi:



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We've been talking about Kayaks. A lot! Maybe we should try this Sea Eagle type first - it certainly is a fairly low cost entry point.

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I have two inflatables. One is a "hard" sided heavy duty Innova that was pretty big bucks. It is heavy and I can't carry it myself, I have to use a cart/wheel assembly. It can be used for one or two and is a fine kayak, probably the best inflatable around.

I also have a much cheaper and lightweight sea eagle 330. You can get one all decked out with pump, seats and paddles for only a couple of hundred bucks. It has three main air chambers, the floor and each side tube. It is light and I can pick it up inflated and carry it myself. It can be used solo or double but you better be a coordinated stern paddler and have a good rhythm going or you can easily whack the front person. I have taken some people out in the sea eagle and often I tell them to just quit paddling.

I like it a lot. It is a bit vulnerable in the wind so wide open water on windy days is out. It is great on rivers including light white water. I use this one more than the better Innova just because of ease of use. I recommend it.

EDIT: I see Amazon has a good deal on it right now: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00..._ya_oh_product (I use slightly upgraded seats, what they sell on the "pro" model, but the seats that come with it are OK, just not the best).

Here is the 370 which is better for tandem use and which has the seats I use, at a fair price, but you have to pay shipping: http://www.amazon.com/Sea-Eagle-370-...ef=pd_sbs_sg_2


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Well, I finally worked on some of the photos from Tom Sawyer's Mississippi River RV Resort. With such a nice setting, even I can get excited about photographing barge traffic. This coal barge just looked enormous. We had a lovely sunny evening with heavy weather over TN providing a dramatic backdrop. This is the Bill Elmer pushing coal down the Mississippi:



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Wow Ron - that's a lot of KOAs!
Yeah, after a busy day we are not inclined to risk ending up at a "dump." We have found the use of a "franchise" to be in our best interests since the quality is, if nothing else, consistent across the chain. (We, actually, learned that from many years of hotel stays.) In any event, $30 a night is still a long ways from the $100 plus stay at a hotel.

Staying at KOA does have several perks for us, however. We have a "VIP" card that assures we are treated very well -- in fact, I am amazed by how much. We also have (last I looked) four "free stays" built up in our account.

But, you are correct. If we were not "Travelers," KOA (Keep On Adding) would not be in the cards.

That spreadsheet, BTW, is the first step in creating a map(s) from your suggestion.
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I also have a much cheaper and lightweight sea eagle 330. You can get one all decked out with pump, seats and paddles for only a couple of hundred bucks. It has three main air chambers, the floor and each side tube. It is light and I can pick it up inflated and carry it myself. It can be used solo or double but you better be a coordinated stern paddler and have a good rhythm going or you can easily whack the front person. I have taken some people out in the sea eagle and often I tell them to just quit paddling.

I like it a lot. It is a bit vulnerable in the wind so wide open water on windy days is out. It is great on rivers including light white water. I use this one more than the better Innova just because of ease of use. I recommend it.
Yeah, I figured it was out of the question on large bays in windy conditions and I expected the handling might be pretty squirrelly.

But we would use it more in the smaller sheltered lakes and bays where we are camping. So many places we camp have water nearby so this looks perfect. And it would be mostly for exploring edges of lakes for wildlife watching, etc. We would try it out first at the resaca at Bentsen State Park - just jump on the tram with the kayak - sounds pretty easy!

We've been traveling with dry bags, paddling vests, paddling shorts and water shoes all this time, but no boat or paddles!!!!

Glad to know it can be used solo, as DH wants to be able to get out in the water with his camera occasionally, and sometimes I'll want to go out alone.

Thanks for the Amazon link. I was wondering whether the upgraded seats were worth it?

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Oh, all right!

Actually, just because I worked on several photos, it doesn't mean they are all worth posting!

Here is a panorama I made from the view just walking forward from our campsite a bit! I couldn't get all 180+degrees of the view in the panorama, but this give you an idea - 7 stitched photos. Click on the bar to get the full panoramic effect.



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Yeah, after a busy day we are not inclined to risk ending up at a "dump." We have found the use of a "franchise" to be in our best interests since the quality is, if nothing else, consistent across the chain. (We, actually, learned that from many years of hotel stays.) In any event, $30 a night is still a long ways from the $100 plus stay at a hotel.

Staying at KOA does have several perks for us, however. We have a "VIP" card that assures we are treated very well -- in fact, I am amazed by how much. We also have (last I looked) four "free stays" built up in our account.

But, you are correct. If we were not "Travelers," KOA (Keep On Adding) would not be in the cards.

That spreadsheet, BTW, is the first step in creating a map(s) from your suggestion.
Here's how we avoid staying at a "dump": RV Park Reviews and "The Big Rig Directory" really helps us when we are in travel mode.

We have stayed at several decent KOAs and a few of them are definite returns. But even with all our wandering I would say we don't stay KOAs that often, mainly because for a given area there seem to usually be a better option. RV Park Reviews reviews are pretty hard on KOAs!

I recommend the Crescent City KOA near Crescent City CA - lovely spot with redwoods on site! We've often stopped at the one 10 miles north of Carlsbad in New Mexico - it's convenient to crossing NM, and has great birding. Most of the others are pretty forgettable and often downright yucky near major urban areas.

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Oh, all right!

Actually, just because I worked on several photos, it doesn't mean they are all worth posting!

Here is a panorama I made from the view just walking forward from our campsite a bit! I couldn't get all 180+degrees of the view in the panorama, but this give you an idea - 7 stitched photos. Click on the bar to get the full panoramic effect.



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That camouflage effect is really dramatic!
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Most of the others are pretty forgettable and often downright yucky near major urban areas.
Yep. To us a KOA is a stop of last resort.
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Ummmm - that went over my head!

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