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Old 03-03-2016, 04:52 PM   #41
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I've lived in the sticks for over 20 years. The downside is no pizza delivery. Everything else is positive.
Almost everything. Getting fast, reliable internet service has been an ongoing challenge for us.
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Old 03-03-2016, 05:49 PM   #42
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That's a persistent problem. I don't anticipate a change unless the public sector gets involved a la the Rural Electrification Administration. We have a point-to-point wireless service that can deliver a little more than 2mb, but that's barely functional for streaming video.

We were in Japan recently and were awed at their Internet speed. It's sad that we've fallen so far behind technologically.
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That's a persistent problem. I don't anticipate a change unless the public sector gets involved a la the Rural Electrification Administration. We have a point-to-point wireless service that can deliver a little more than 2mb, but that's barely functional for streaming video.

We were in Japan recently and were awed at their Internet speed. It's sad that we've fallen so far behind technologically.
Interesting, your post made me look up connection speeds. According to this list we are 14 th https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...nection_speeds

I guess its kind of like medical care, life expectancy, literacy and so many other areas - we think we are first until we open our eyes a little wider...
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Just for the fun of it, I did find a list where we are the undisputed numero uno https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number...ita_by_country
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Interesting that Cyprus is No. 2. Their last war came with the Turkish invasion in 1974. It has been a haven for Middle Eastern intrigue, but a government website boasts it has the lowest crime rate in the European Union.

As a rural resident I do contribute to that US firearm statistic. Raccoons and woodchucks have tasted my .22-caliber hot lead. I don't hunt them, but sometimes they won't take a hint.
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That's a persistent problem. I don't anticipate a change unless the public sector gets involved a la the Rural Electrification Administration. We have a point-to-point wireless service that can deliver a little more than 2mb, but that's barely functional for streaming video.
Yep, we're saddled with a wireless system with a 1.5Mbs download speed - on a good day. The ISP suffers from serious reliability issues, knows it is the only game in town out here in the sticks and will disconnect your service if you complain too much.

Our REA announced a few months ago they were going to start deploying broadband service later this year and were targeting to have service available in our area sometime in 2017. Hope I'm still alive to enjoy it.
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Satellite internet is here. All you need is buckets of money. It is available and it works! (Most of the time.)

And please, let's keep the government out of it.
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Papadad111 has the answer to alot of the doubt questions here:

"...I may stay here 10-15 years and when we tire of the maintenance or driving to town we can always move.

I got into it cheaply and I won't feel bad if we need to "dump it" later. It's affordable and paid for. ..."

Just reverse the hypothetical case and imagine you want to move from the hinterlands to "big metropolis" where culture is generated and the city provides 24 hrs a day; five star entertainment, med care, coffee, boutique premises distilled whiskey, whatever. Then you tire of the drug deals, the 3am garbage trucks, the non stop activity and night life, seeing those same jokers in the elevator everyday... The same remedy above applies in my mind.
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Luckily we are human and can adapt !! Nothing has to be permanent. Most people become too attached to their stuff.

Reference high speed Internet,yes that can be an issue. Fortunately we all have more options than ever before with advent of decent satellite, as well as wireless 4G/LTE - almost everyevents options ...and even more areas can be serviced at relatively reasonable cost now than ever before. . I'm sure I could cover my Internet fees with just the savings in city parking fees alone.




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OK a couple of questions for those that are enjoying the said lifestyle- when I think about living in a rural area I wonder how safe/secure I'd feel when the response time for a 911 call is 20+ mins? Will I always wonder when the sun goes down some no good felons might find an easy target? What about the wild life i.e bears, mountain lions etc prowling for an easy meal at night? A few times that I've stayed on a ranch or a cottage (for vacation) I've seen bear tracks on the property.

I guess the answer is not very much different than living in a big city i.e. alarm systems, cameras, dogs, warning signs, firearms etc
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OK a couple of questions for those that are enjoying the said lifestyle- when I think about living in a rural area I wonder how safe/secure I'd feel when the response time for a 911 call is 20+ mins? Will I always wonder when the sun goes down some no good felons might find an easy target? What about the wild life i.e bears, mountain lions etc prowling for an easy meal at night? A few times that I've stayed on a ranch or a cottage (for vacation) I've seen bear tracks on the property.

I guess the answer is not very much different than living in a big city i.e. alarm systems, cameras, dogs, warning signs, firearms etc
On the crime question, just watch the local newspaper and if every so often they report a breakin you know its rare because in a big city you don't find the local papers covering breakins. Also in a town of 30k I do observe that the police come rapidily in numbers for an accident whereas in the big city it takes a while for them to show up. Now if your in the far western parts of the county it (40 mi from county seat) it can take a while for first responders to show up. Or if you were to go the next county west your in an area that would have been defined as frontier in the old days with not much more than 2 people per square mile.
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OK a couple of questions for those that are enjoying the said lifestyle- when I think about living in a rural area I wonder how safe/secure I'd feel when the response time for a 911 call is 20+ mins? Will I always wonder when the sun goes down some no good felons might find an easy target? What about the wild life i.e bears, mountain lions etc prowling for an easy meal at night? A few times that I've stayed on a ranch or a cottage (for vacation) I've seen bear tracks on the property.

I guess the answer is not very much different than living in a big city i.e. alarm systems, cameras, dogs, warning signs, firearms etc
Dogs work great for bears and probably for mountain lions. We have both up here, but I don't have a dog. Main thing is to keep garbage, coffee, chocolate, etc. in containers that are sealed tight or at least far away from your home in the case of garbage. Most bear break-ins up here involve chocolate and/or coffee left out. I don't think there has ever been a problem when anyone was around. I have a loud air horn on a can of compressed air that should be effective with a bear if necessary. Almost everyone up here has a gun, so anyone up to no good is taking a considerable risk.

On 911 up here, it is just not an option. I know of two people who have died because there was no quick response to emergencies. One was my DW, the other was the husband of a woman now in her 70s who still lives alone up here from April through October. If you are a mountain person, I guess you could say living in such a special place is more important than total safety.
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Dogs work great for bears and probably for mountain lions. We have both up here, but I don't have a dog. Main thing is to keep garbage, coffee, chocolate, etc. in containers that are sealed tight or at least far away from your home in the case of garbage. Most bear break-ins up here involve chocolate and/or coffee left out. I don't think there has ever been a problem when anyone was around. I have a loud air horn on a can of compressed air that should be effective with a bear if necessary. Almost everyone up here has a gun, so anyone up to no good is taking a considerable risk.

On 911 up here, it is just not an option. I know of two people who have died because there was no quick response to emergencies. One was my DW, the other was the husband of a woman now in her 70s who still lives alone up here from April through October. If you are a mountain person, I guess you could say living in such a special place is more important than total safety.
As hinted it depends on how rural you want to be. Close to a town of 20k I see foxes, lots and lots of deer, porcupines, etc. Rumor has it than an mountain lion is seen more from the evidence of dead deer. Further are we talking about the west or east. Another consideration is how long is the power line to your place from the substation? If long a backup generator might be in order perhaps powered by a propane tank.
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Instead of going all out in the boondocks, one often finds that out some 5 to 10 miles from the suburb of a metropolitan area, the land is less expensive and the homes have a rural look to it. That may be a good compromise.

I could have bought something like that instead of the 2 homes I have now; one in the suburb and the other one in the high country. The city home does not have enough land for me to experiment with solar energy (I want the panels on the ground), and the boondock home is far from any shopping. I have lived in the city all my life, and I would miss a run to Costco or Trader Joe's. And the boondock home is not good if you need medical care in old age. The nearest town is 40 miles away, and I doubt that they have a full complement of specialists.

So, I would not live full-time in my boondock home as I originally entertained the idea of.
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Instead of going all out in the boondocks, one often finds that out some 5 to 10 miles from the suburb of a metropolitan area, the land is less expensive and the homes have a rural look to it. That may be a good compromise.

I could have bought something like that instead of the 2 homes I have now; one in the suburb and the other one in the high country. The city home does not have enough land for me to experiment with solar energy (I want the panels on the ground), and the boondock home is far from any shopping. I have lived in the city all my life, and I would miss a run to Costco or Trader Joe's. And the boondock home is not good if you need medical care in old age. The nearest town is 40 miles away, and I doubt that they have a full complement of specialists.

So, I would not live full-time in my boondock home as I originally entertained the idea of.
My guess is that the Boondock home is either in Northern Wi, MN, Maine, or MI or in the west. If you stay east of the IA, NE border north or south you find large cities with about 60 mi and smaller towns every 10-20 miles. (Partly because way back when when ag was important, 10-15 was about the longest distance one could go to town and get back in a day, so there was a railroad station in town. In areas which have significant ag as pointed out towns tend to be closer in.
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I'm planning to move to a small farm in the near future. Maybe about 1000 acres. I will wander amongst the peasants and tenant farmers, complimenting them on their crops. When I'm not busy with that, I'll probably be sitting on the wrap around porch sipping mint juleps. Ah, the country life for me.
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We are probably 30 minutes from any 911 response to arrival ... It's the risk one takes living in tranquility .. We are 15 or so minutes by car to the far edge of town, longer to nearest hospital.

Even in mega cities, first response is not as fast as you might think. Often this is just giving you a false sense of security. Places I've lived overseas including many mega cities, I found that hailing a taxi to the hospital was a better shot at getting to the hospital quickly ... than calling an ambulance.... Guess we are somewhat self reliant for now ...

We don't lock our doors. Perhaps a bad habit but if a thief wants to come in they can just break any glass window anyway. Locks are false security ...

We have a very friendly dog. She barks at visitors and noises from animals like raccoons if they get close to the house. .... She may just lick them into submission looking for a jerky treat or pig ear... .

DW and I both do have lifetime concealed carry hand gun permits. A 9mm and a few loaded clips sit in a bedside fast-access gun safe on my side of the bed. She has a 38 special revolver in her gun safe aside her bed.

I was considering a "street sweeper" short butted 12 gauge shotgun that she can handle but have not pulled the trigger on buying one yet. ( I'm so punny) That's gonna be a lot faster than any 911 call in resolving a robbery in progress or a threatening intruder ...be it human or animal in nature.

I try not to overthink this stuff. Life in the city can be just as risky maybe more ...
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My guess is that the Boondock home is either in Northern Wi, MN, Maine, or MI or in the west. If you stay east of the IA, NE border north or south you find large cities with about 60 mi and smaller towns every 10-20 miles. (Partly because way back when when ag was important, 10-15 was about the longest distance one could go to town and get back in a day, so there was a railroad station in town. In areas which have significant ag as pointed out towns tend to be closer in.

My guess is Oregon.
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