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Re: Charitable donations pre- and post-FI/RE
Old 09-21-2005, 11:48 AM   #61
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Re: Charitable donations pre- and post-FI/RE
Old 09-21-2005, 12:04 PM   #62
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Gosh, this has turned into quite the stress-inducing thread.

I don't think you can force charity, it is a feeling in your heart that you want to do something for others. It may be time or money or a combination, but if you do something grudgingly (is that a word?) then it may not even be worth it.

Of course, being the bleeding heart that I am, I couldn't live with myself if I didn't at least give some of the money that I have accumulated to those less fortunate, but I do not believe in tithing ~ it is an individual choice. In fact, I resent anyone that tells (preaches) to others that they MUST give.

I guess we mostly subscribe to the Buffet philosophy, since our wills call for 90% of our net worth to go to various charities, but we give along the way as well, especially now since DH's company matches donations (sometimes 2 to 1) I think it will be a mistake to do away with the estate tax since in my law practice I found that many people close to the edge of paying the tax would give more to charity (they would rather the money go to charity that be paid to taxes)

Anyway, as far as whether we will continue to give once we are both ERed, only time will tell if it is at the same rate, but I don't think we will be able to stop ourselves from giving some.

BTW, the American Kennel Club (AKC) is collecting donations to help the animal survivors of Katrina and they are eating all the administrative costs, so 100% goes to rescue efforts.
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I mention the animal charity, cause even Az can't blame them for not evacuating!
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I'm just turning into a regular JG here, but one more thing...

Maybe I am the way I am because I went to college on a full scholarship funded by an alumna of my college. Some may feel that this wasn't charity and I did it by my own self. I feel, however, that someone gave me a start that helped me to accomplish (accumulate) more than I ever thought possible and maybe I can pass that along somehow.
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I mention the animal charity, cause even Az can't blame them for not evacuating!
Unless the money is going exclusively towards the cost of putting them to sleep, i'm not interested.* *There are far too many pets in the world.* *

I have a particular distaste for cats, especially feral cats.* *Cats indiscriminately kill anything and everything they can get their paws on, and a well-fed house cat can kill just about anything.* To say they are efficient killers would be a considerable understatement.* In addition, feral cats spread and harbor disease. I believe there was a 20/20 on this specific subject (or maybe it was a 48 hrs or dateline, i dont remember).
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But Az, please dont send me to the gas chamber!
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Maybe they will do a 20/20 on Grade 12 government workers who spend their work hours on internet message boards. I've recently come to the conclusion that we may have too many of those around.
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Maybe they will do a 20/20 on Grade 12 government workers who spend their work hours on internet message boards. *I've recently come to the conclusion that we may have too many of those around.
As if that's worse than an ER, who has nothing better to do than to hang out on a dumbass messageboard during the middle of the day. * How pathetic. * Go buy yourself a life.

Where did you work when you did anyway? *I have several friends in the private sector too, one who just recently graduated from an elite engineering school who went to work for Northrup Grunnman. *His first remark to me about his first real job was "i now know why our economy's going down the tube; *people here bs for like 3 hrs a day".

I can do more work in 4 hrs than the average government employee can do in 8.* Give me 3 years, i'll be a 13.* *Give me 10, i'll be a 14.* *These are conservative goals.

You guys keep picking on how i spend my 2, 15-minute legal breaks at work, i'm going to keep pointing out how you have no life hanging out here in the middle of the day.

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hehe, cute. Its hard to believe something so cute grows up into such an efficient, indiscriminate killer.
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You guys keep picking on how i spend my 2, 15-minute legal breaks at work, i'm going to keep pointing out how you have no life hanging out here in the middle of the day.

(edit) p.s. It took me about a minute to type this. I type 90wpm

Let's not forget the umteen paid days off a year a federal worker gets.

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Old 09-21-2005, 02:32 PM   #72
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Yes.

Look, i prefer not to take jabs of this type. But I know for sure i'm not the only paid employee that posts here on occasion during the day. There are many days i'm so busy i neither post or read here. I guess that would be like a lot of jobs!

So, if you insist on calling it like it is, you know me well enough that i'm going to turn around and do the same thing. And i promise you it isn't going to feel good when i do it.

Anyway, you talked about the stress here (forgot your name), then you turn around and create some more of it.
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I can tell you've never made it into a service academy.* *Yes, working your ass off making grades and being in every club imaginable helps, but still you need this thing call a "nomination" from a Senator or representative, and yes, as you can suspect, that is best done by being proactive.* *You also have to win the heart of your liason officer, since he's the one that's going to speak up for you when it comes to who he recommends for appointment by the service academy.* *We had the LO over for steak at our house.* ;-)

I wasn't Air Force academy material at the time;* just "Air force" material means any high school D student that knows how to put one foot in front of the other, and make an asfab score slighly higher than a monkey could make.* *I was outstanding in basic training, but the elite school that is the AFA kicked my ass and, no, my really poor AA high school did not prepare me for that.

Yes, that's exactly what i'm saying.* *As ive said once now, i'm not for recklass courage.* You can go to that national cemetary and see thousands of tombstones marking the graves of recklassly couragous people.* What in the hell is logical about being that kind of courageous?* * *

Who was it, Patton that said that the object of war is not to die for your country, but make the other bastard die for his.* *I'm for self-protection/self-preservation above all else.
Az, ol' buddy, I think you need to lighten yourself up a little.* Laurence knows at least one other service-academy attendee pretty well and frankly, between you two I appreciate his perspective better.*

Congressional nominations are but one of several ways to get into a service academy.* For example, children active-duty parents or Reservists or retirees are eligible for presidential appointments that make up 100 slots per academy per class.* (A typical USNA plebe class is about 1200-1300 people.)* Fleet enlisted can make up another 10% of the nominations.* Minorities (including women) are aggressively recruited by the academies themselves.* And anyone who can throw a football 70 yards is welcome to call the USNA Candidate Guidance office to see if a miracle happens.* (Don't tell the NCAA that I said this.)* Dozens who miss out on their first service-academy screening are offered full scholarships to Naval Academy Prep School (NAPS) or other civilian colleges to bring up their grades and try again the following year.* They don't have to start all over again with Congressional nominations.* As far as I'm aware, none of these methods require bribing LOs with steak dinners.* I'm shipmates & friends with several USNA LOs ("Blue & Gold Officers) and I think they'd be pretty amused by your insinuations.

There's nothing logical about reckless courage, unless it's sacrificing oneself for the benefit of others.* I guess you could also call it altruism.* You're focusing on their graves, but I think it's more appropriate to focus on the thousands of people who are alive today thanks to those "reckless" dead.* I know many more living veterans, including several Vietnam-era POWs, who also exhibited reckless courage for the benefit of their shipmates.* The POWs will readily admit that they became POWs by their inadequate performance in the face of anti-aircraft missile fire, but they'll also be the first to sacrifice themselves for you-- whether you're worthy of that sacrifice or not.

Here's another example.* At least once a week I drive by the Kawamura Gate at Wheeler's Army Air Field.* After about six years of idle curiousity, I finally looked up the guy-- here's his citation.* I suspect that if he'd had a moment to think about what he was doing he would have continued to run away fast, but his "reckless courage" made a difference to at least two other soldiers and their families.* My kid asks to hear that story just about every time we drive by the gate.* I think it's better to honor his example for her than to make snide comments about his illogical recklessness.* If she persists in following her cousin to West Point then at least she'll have a better understanding of what could happen to her someday.

Patton's said a lot of things, and I thought this merited another sixty seconds of research.* "No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.* He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."* I would speculate that the vast majority of those "reckless dead bastards" brought along an honor escort of "dumb bastards" to their next stop.* I looked at this Patton quote site for "self protection" and "self preservation" but I didn't find those words there.* Maybe they weren't very important to Patton.

While I'm all for a judicial dose of self-protection and self-preservation, I admit that I would much prefer to conclude my life as an illogical reckless corpse than to continue living it as someone who stood by & watched someone else lose their life.* I just hope I get to choose wisely.

Unlike posters who next read "Good talking with you, have a nice life" from me, you seem to be fairly bright & articulate.* Hopefully you have the character to go with those characteristics, because otherwise I'd sure hate to be working under or even near you when you execute your plans for GS-14 world domination.* You have the potential to be an even more positive influence on people than the negative example you've been setting so far.* What you do with that potential is up to you.

I'll let someone else tackle the subjects of puppies & kitties.*

Waddya know, Jarhead, I guess the sun rose today too...* Don't emulate my mistake of spending too much of your time on that MOH citation website.
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We gave to the Animal rescue this year for Katrina, the folks that go around getting the dogs and cats that the "government and Red Cross" left behind. When we do give, we look VERY carefully at the charity numbers, and do NOT give to anyone where less than 90% of the donation goes towards the cause. It was not long ago that 911 occurred and remember the issues that surrounded the vitims getting any of the funds.

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Az, ol' buddy, I think you need to lighten yourself up a little.
Just because you may be getting tense from my response doesn't mean i am.* Trust me, i enjoy this stuff.

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Laurence knows at least one other service-academy attendee pretty well and frankly, between you two I appreciate his perspective better.
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Congressional nominations are the way most people get in.* *I didn't go into the outliers.* *If someone says they went to the academy, you could ask them which congressman sent them, and most likely you'll get a name shortly following.* * Are you saying you assumed i was one of the exceptions?* * BTW, as with most of the cadets, most minorities get in via vanilla congressional nominations just like everyone else, though some atheles are, of course, recruited via scholarship.* * Also, those who get into the prep school were also most likely congressional nominations.* * Nords, nominations come first, appointments might or might not come next.* *Those who dont get directly into the academy sometimes make it into the prep school.* *That process is independent of whether one got a congressional nominations or not.

Soilders are pawns of our leaders.* *I personally dont believe killing each other is a good solution to solving problems.* I think it is a sad, last resort solution to solving problem that, when done, declairs to everyone loudly "I"m a failure, and now i'm going to solve my problem in the most barbaric and mindless way by killing people".* *Yes, I understand you're likely in the narrow-minded majority that probably thinks it is a good solution to solving problems and you probably chuckled with glee like a little kid when the media on TV was talking about our "shock and awe".* *I often find myself alone, tortured by logic that for some strange reason, most other people didn't get.* * Some gifts can be lonely.

So you found a story about a soilder who saved two other soilders, all three of which were trying to kill someone else from another country?* * Its as if you think those soilders, men, from those other countries also dont have families.* *

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Patton's said a lot of things, and I thought this merited another sixty seconds of research.* "No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.* He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country." .........* I looked at this Patton quote site for "self protection" and "self preservation" but I didn't find those words there.
So you dont think by that statement, Patton isn't recognizing the importance of living as being better than dying?* *hehe, ok.* *I know how I would have taken that advice!* *

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While I'm all for a judicial dose of self-protection and self-preservation, I admit that I would much prefer to conclude my life as an illogical reckless corpse than to continue living it as someone who stood by & watched someone else lose their life.* I just hope I get to choose wisely.
Well, if I ever see a stone with your name on it and a touching story to go along with it, i'll be sure and take the time to read it and momentarily reflect on your bravery.* As soon as i'm done, i'll continue going about living the only life i'm going to get.

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Unlike posters who next read "Good talking with you, have a nice life" from me, you seem to be fairly bright & articulate.* Hopefully you have the character to go with those characteristics, because otherwise I'd sure hate to be working under or even near you when you execute your plans for GS-14 world domination.* You have the potential to be an even more positive influence on people than the negative example you've been setting so far.* What you do with that potential is up to you.
Nords, as i understand it, your reputation here isn't impeccable either.* *I pride myself in honestly above all else.* *You know for everyone one person here that admitted they dont give charity beyond taxes, there was probably 10 others that dont either, that lack both the honesty and courage to admit just the same.

If my goal was to people please, there's a good chance i'd be one of your favorites here.* *I'm known at work as a really nice guy.* *I can be anything i want to be with the blink of an eye. To use an analogy, in RL/work, i'm Garth Brooks. On these boards, i'm Chris Gaines.

I have plenty of character and I am a law abider.* *In fact, my job is enforcing environmental law and I do that job quite well.* *There are stories of men who do just atrocious things everywhere all around us.* *I was just told yesterday of a story where men were dragging women out of the superdome at night, and raping/killing them.* *Those are your horrible men.* *I am a law abider and i harm no one.

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There is no story.* There are too many "pets" and feral animals, fact and end of story.* *It is literally either you realize that or you don't.* *Yes, there's a population at large that doesnt understand things such as perscribed burns (where burning a forest is actually good for it) or having hunters go in and freely kill a deer population for its health.* That takes a level of dynamic some people just dont have.* Most* people would probably think they're helping the feral cat problem when they set a bowl of food outside their house or place of business when in fact, they're just helping propogate the spread of more disease and suffering.
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...I understand you're likely in the narrow-minded majority that probably thinks it is a good solution to solving problems and you probably chuckled with glee like a little kid when the media on TV was talking about our "shock and awe".
Wow. Honest, I thought you paid more attention than that.
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Hopefully you have the character to go with those characteristics, because otherwise I'd sure hate to be working under or even near you when you execute your plans for GS-14 world domination. You have the potential to be an even more positive influence on people than the negative example you've been setting so far. What you do with that potential is up to you.
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I can be anything i want to be with the blink of an eye.* To use an analogy, in RL/work, i'm Garth Brooks.* On these boards, i'm Chris Gaines.
Well, I guess I'm wrong. Good talking to you, Az, you have a nice life now.
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You're leaving the boards? With such a high post count? Take care man!
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I think you lost us all, probably including Nords. Explain.
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I don't think you can force charity, ... it is an individual choice.* In fact, I resent anyone that tells (preaches) to others that they MUST give.
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I, personally, am a bit disgruntled with the large-tragedy, telethon, charity-concert, group-hug, emotional trap the country, and the media has fallen into. .. every day families and individuals have equally as large tragedies on a small scale.* Is the individual who lost their home to flood waters in New Orleans any more deserving of our sympathy than the individual who lost their home to fire on the same day somewhere else in the country?*
My feeling on this has grown ever stronger after 9/11....I gave generously to 9/11 relief charities of all kinds.* ...About a year or two ago I run into "Suzie", ...She informed me that she had just closed on the purchase of a $700,000 brownstone ...Many people may view this as crass, but I couldn't help but wonder if my contribution to "Suzie's" daughter's college fund wouldn't have been better spent somewhere else.
I couldn't agree with the both of you more. Amazing and powerful is the influence of the media on American's gift giving. We are a profoundly generous society.*

On the other hand, my husband and I prefer less hoopla, giving in quiet, unnoticed ways to single people in single events that move our hearts.

There is a place for each style, I suppose. However, I must admit that I was somewhat offended?* shocked? by the magnitude of the money given one set of victims (say, 9-11) and yet others, silently everywhere, get little or nothing.*

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