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Old 10-12-2016, 03:39 PM   #621
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Still playing here in Scottsdale. Lots of courses closed for over seeding but many others still have their Bermuda or are already seeded. Our course has been closed all summer as we replaced our greens. They won't let us back on till December 1. They are looking good though!
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we have water and/or OB on every shot, all 18 holes

I think the difficulty definitely impacts the index, whether or not it should

when I was a member at Hearthstone in Houston I was down to a 10 or 11 - I'd lose my a$$ at crane creek if I carried that index
I'm not familiar with your courses but you need to adjust your handicap based on the course you're playing and the slope rating of the tees you're playing. Maybe a 20 handicap at Hearthstone would play to a 24 at Crane Creek if their is a big difference in the slope rating.

Course handicap= Handicap Index X Slope Rating/113
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I'm not familiar with your courses but you need to adjust your handicap based on the course you're playing and the slope rating of the tees you're playing. Maybe a 20 handicap at Hearthstone would play to a 24 at Crane Creek if their is a big difference in the slope rating.

Course handicap= Handicap Index X Slope Rating/113
I enter all my stuff through GHIN - course handicaps vary based on index

I'm just saying that CC is a really difficult course - when I joined 5 years ago I never thought I'd break 90 on it
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Played at an old friend's club today... beautiful course and very fast greens.
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First time to post to this thread. Played twice in the last 10 days. First time out in four years. Wow, weekdays are great. Start at 0800 and home by 1215. Nice! Got excited and bought a used set of Taylormade R7 irons, draw weighed and gave away my McGregor Heritage irons I bought in '87. Lost the 6 iron at Texas City municipal in the late 80s. Score typical for me, around 100. Had two birdies and two pars yesterday. Two birdies in the span of three holes was exciting! DW is already seeing the golf spectre arise again. Got to keep it in check. One round and one range session per week.

The phone apps for distance are amazing. First time out with that.
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First time to post to this thread. Played twice in the last 10 days. First time out in four years. Wow, weekdays are great. Start at 0800 and home by 1215. Nice! Got excited and bought a used set of Taylormade R7 irons, draw weighed and gave away my McGregor Heritage irons I bought in '87. Lost the 6 iron at Texas City municipal in the late 80s. Score typical for me, around 100. Had two birdies and two pars yesterday. Two birdies in the span of three holes was exciting! DW is already seeing the golf spectre arise again. Got to keep it in check. One round and one range session per week.

The phone apps for distance are amazing. First time out with that.
what course to you normally play?
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anyone still playing? I shot an 84 with a few bad holes sunday at a local muni - I played match with my boss and he's decided to quit golf, no joke

played 7 hoes last night and hit 5 greens - two 3 jacks

got my cart out of the shop and it's running great, $1400 parts and labor later it should be - no more gear whine, I think I'll keep this cart until it dies again
Year round down here. But, I've been traveling for a couple weeks (actually, I was getting chased around by Matthew) and haven't played a round since 9/28.
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First time to post to this thread. Played twice in the last 10 days. First time out in four years. Wow, weekdays are great. Start at 0800 and home by 1215. Nice! Got excited and bought a used set of Taylormade R7 irons, draw weighed and gave away my McGregor Heritage irons I bought in '87. Lost the 6 iron at Texas City municipal in the late 80s. Score typical for me, around 100. Had two birdies and two pars yesterday. Two birdies in the span of three holes was exciting! DW is already seeing the golf spectre arise again. Got to keep it in check. One round and one range session per week.

The phone apps for distance are amazing. First time out with that.
Welcome TtP. Hope you get back into 'the beautiful game' and share it with us here.
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what course to you normally play?

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I played a couple of days ago on the AL coast with a couple of buddies. Shot an 80 after being +4 thru 3 holes. Could have broken 80, but missed a couple of 3 footers coming home. Oh well. Considering I haven't played much this summer due to renovations on my home course, pretty pleased with the way I hit the ball.
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I'm not familiar with your courses but you need to adjust your handicap based on the course you're playing and the slope rating of the tees you're playing. Maybe a 20 handicap at Hearthstone would play to a 24 at Crane Creek if their is a big difference in the slope rating.

Course handicap= Handicap Index X Slope Rating/113
Yea, it shouldn't make a difference as you say. I tend to find slope ratings can be pretty goofy sometimes. I wonder what the parameters are. I know a course around here that's as flat as can be, no water, no real OB,etc and it has a higher slope than a course with water in play, lots of huge sandtraps,etc. I could easily manipulate my hdcp by playing the higher slope/easier course if I wanted a vanity cap. If I wanted to sandbag I could plaay the lower slope/easier course.
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we have water and/or OB on every shot, all 18 holes

I think the difficulty definitely impacts the index, whether or not it should

when I was a member at Hearthstone in Houston I was down to a 10 or 11 - I'd lose my a$$ at crane creek if I carried that index
As I posted above, sometimes the slope ratings are just off. Ever hear the saying "His handicap doesn't travel well"? That's often because a guy plays the majority of his rounds on a course that is easier than it's rated so his hdcp is low, but when he goes to a course with a truer rating, no way can he play to his hdcp.
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my index travels great. I almost always break par net when I play away.
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Yea, it shouldn't make a difference as you say. I tend to find slope ratings can be pretty goofy sometimes. I wonder what the parameters are. I know a course around here that's as flat as can be, no water, no real OB,etc and it has a higher slope than a course with water in play, lots of huge sandtraps,etc. I could easily manipulate my hdcp by playing the higher slope/easier course if I wanted a vanity cap. Ihttp://www.usga.org/handicapping-articles/course-rating-primer-e5bf725f.htmlf I wanted to sandbag I could plaay the lower slope/easier course.
I play with a guy who rates courses for the NCGA. He described the process, and it sounds very objective and data-based to me. They use trained teams (instead of individuals) to rate courses; then, the NCGA checks their work and makes adjustments as necessary. Given that 'people' do it, there is by definition some subjectivity. And, I know what you mean by comparing courses of different difficulty; it does offen seem that higher slope courses are much harder than their slope rating indicates when compared to an easier course; it's as if the effect on score is exponential versus linear when playing a course rated >130. Below is the USGA course evaluation process, which is what my buddy described using for the NCGA.

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Ever hear the saying "His handicap doesn't travel well"? That's often because a guy plays the majority of his rounds on a course that is easier than it's rated so his hdcp is low, but when he goes to a course with a truer rating, no way can he play to his hdcp.
That does happen but I think the main reason a handicap doesn't travel well is that many golfers play primarily at their home course all the time. Obviously the more you play at the same course you get comfortable with it, learn the greens, when/where to layup, it just gets easier over time. If you watch the Master's you may have noticed when there's an odd number of players on the weekend they add a non-competing marker to the field who's an Augusta member. He knows the greens at Augusta so well he can hold his own with the pros, sometimes even beating them. But if you were to put him on another tour course against a pro he would have no chance.
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....Considering I haven't played much this summer due to renovations on my home course, pretty pleased with the way I hit the ball.
I always seem to play well the first couple rounds after not playing for a while.
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slope from the blues at cc is 137. over 140 from the blacks
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slope from the blues at cc is 137. over 140 from the blacks
That's a tough course.
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played quail hollow yesterday from the tips - 129 slope. We thought it was more difficult than our home course.
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I definitely think Quail Hollow is tougher then CCCC. But then again, I play CCCC 3-4 times a week and Quail maybe 3-4 times a year.
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