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I wonder what % of FIREs are Introverts?
04-15-2006, 06:46 PM
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I wonder what % of FIREs are Introverts?
I saw the topic about isolation.
As most of you know, introverts are those who gain more peace from being alone more than most of the population. They need time to think, reflect. Studies have shown introverts have more active frontal lobes (!). It is thought that about 25% of the population are introverted to some degree.
I wonder if the percent is larger among those of us who wish to retire early? My presumption is that the more extroverted "get more" out of working than the introverted...
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Re: I wonder what % of FIREs are Introverts?
04-15-2006, 06:57 PM
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Re: I wonder what % of FIREs are Introverts?
04-15-2006, 07:11 PM
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Re: I wonder what % of FIREs are Introverts?
A good example of inflation. The test now costs .99 to take.
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Re: I wonder what % of FIREs are Introverts?
04-15-2006, 08:29 PM
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Re: I wonder what % of FIREs are Introverts?
Those %$@#$ers...
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Re: I wonder what % of FIREs are Introverts?
04-15-2006, 08:55 PM
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Re: I wonder what % of FIREs are Introverts?
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Originally Posted by sgeeeee
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I am an extroverted ENFP. Don't really like the whole corporate thing or routine, so retiring very early.
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Re: I wonder what % of FIREs are Introverts?
04-15-2006, 09:09 PM
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Re: I wonder what % of FIREs are Introverts?
All the introverts are too introverted to reply to the thread.
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Re: I wonder what % of FIREs are Introverts?
04-15-2006, 09:46 PM
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Re: I wonder what % of FIREs are Introverts?
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All the introverts are too introverted to reply to the thread.
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That's not true
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Re: I wonder what % of FIREs are Introverts?
04-16-2006, 03:11 AM
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Re: I wonder what % of FIREs are Introverts?
ooooooooooops introverts...sorry i thought it said perverts...
wrong goup for me here ha ha ha
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Re: I wonder what % of FIREs are Introverts?
04-16-2006, 06:51 AM
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Re: I wonder what % of FIREs are Introverts?
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That's not true
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Re: I wonder what % of FIREs are Introverts?
04-16-2006, 06:59 AM
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Re: I wonder what % of FIREs are Introverts?
In past lives, I was subjected to numerous tests to determine my personality type, motivation and work style.* I remember one at a very, very large oil company where the psychologist came and talked to me for an hour after the test.* I thought that was strange that so much time would be spent with everyone that took the test to review the results with them.* It turned out I was the only one he talked with.* I never did figure out why he came and talked with me.* My Myers-Briggs was off the scale INTJ.* In Kingdomality, I was solidly "Merchant" when the entire rest of my company's senior management were "Prime Ministers."* No wonder I never seemed to get along with them.
Basically, I think all of them are hyped. But, someone with my personality type would say that.
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Re: I wonder what % of FIREs are Introverts?
04-16-2006, 07:59 AM
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Re: I wonder what % of FIREs are Introverts?
... I tested INTJ .... maybe another poll and a link to the test is in order ....
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Re: I wonder what % of FIREs are Introverts?
04-16-2006, 08:01 AM
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Re: I wonder what % of FIREs are Introverts?
Last poll on the issue, with links to the test, seems to be here: http://early-retirement.org/forums/i...p?topic=4210.0
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Re: I wonder what % of FIREs are Introverts?
04-16-2006, 08:22 AM
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Re: I wonder what % of FIREs are Introverts?
Crap
Just been informed - I have to dress up to go visit - inorder to get my 'free' Easter dinner. INTJ - ?Jimmy Buffet shirt and cargo pants ?
heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh - Hey! - expected over 70 here again.
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04-16-2006, 09:27 AM
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Re: I wonder what % of FIREs are Introverts?
04-16-2006, 12:18 PM
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Re: I wonder what % of FIREs are Introverts?
Sorry, as the original poster I should have done some searching. Apparently what I thought of as a unique and innovative theory is already well covered!
Still, the links above indicate my theory largely correct - that ERs are more likely to be introverted! As an INTJ myself, I fit the mold.
I appreciate the feedback!
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04-16-2006, 12:57 PM
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Re: I wonder what % of FIREs are Introverts?
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. . .Still, the links above indicate my theory largely correct - that ERs are more likely to be introverted! . . .
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Well . . . you might want to look more closely at the data and the conclusions. First, the Meyers-Briggs test is of questionable validity. The theory that all personalities can be captured by four independent variables is without any proof or justification. That these four characteristics are independent is similarly unvalidated. Whether or not the test(s) actually measure these four characteristics accurately is without proof. The validity of the results are even more questionable when not administered by a professional. I don't recall the exact numbers now, but test validity is only about 60% when self-administered. Another interesting point is that the introvert-extrovert continuum of the test does not correspond to the definition of those terms as they are commonly used in the english language.
Next, there's the minimal data that was collected for intercst's study. It is not representative of the overall population. It is not statistically weighted in an attempt to normalize the tiny sample to the actual population. It was collected on a completely anonymous volunteer basis -- not a good way to assure accuracy or randomness.
This subject comes up fairly regularly and usually ends up with a bunch of people posting their Meyers-Briggs INTJ label and confirming that they are early retired or on the road to that. It seems to make a lot of them feel good about themselves and their retirement choices. I guess that's a good thing.
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Re: I wonder what % of FIREs are Introverts?
04-16-2006, 03:50 PM
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Re: I wonder what % of FIREs are Introverts?
I'm not an INTJ
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Re: I wonder what % of FIREs are Introverts?
04-16-2006, 03:54 PM
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Re: I wonder what % of FIREs are Introverts?
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Well . . . you might want to look more closely at the data and the conclusions. First, the Meyers-Briggs test is of questionable validity. The theory that all personalities can be captured by four independent variables is without any proof or justification. That these four characteristics are independent is similarly unvalidated. Whether or not the test(s) actually measure these four characteristics accurately is without proof. The validity of the results are even more questionable when not administered by a professional. I don't recall the exact numbers now, but test validity is only about 60% when self-administered. Another interesting point is that the introvert-extrovert continuum of the test does not correspond to the definition of those terms as they are commonly used in the english language.
Next, there's the minimal data that was collected for intercst's study. It is not representative of the overall population. It is not statistically weighted in an attempt to normalize the tiny sample to the actual population. It was collected on a completely anonymous volunteer basis -- not a good way to assure accuracy or randomness.
This subject comes up fairly regularly and usually ends up with a bunch of people posting their Meyers-Briggs INTJ label and confirming that they are early retired or on the road to that. It seems to make a lot of them feel good about themselves and their retirement choices. I guess that's a good thing.
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Re: I wonder what % of FIREs are Introverts?
04-16-2006, 04:00 PM
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Re: I wonder what % of FIREs are Introverts?
I agree with sgeee that the Myers Briggs isn't the world's most respectable/respected test, although the lay public loves it. I think it's scary that so many businesses use it for personnel purposes.
But there's no question that I'm introverted. The INTJ profile that I tested with does seem to fit, but in some ways I hate being categorized as a type. But the introversion trait is definitely there. Not shy---can talk to people. But being with people is very draining for me. Staff meetings and social functions are the aboslute worst. Don't want to work as part of a team.
It's not work that I object to (will sit and work at my computer for hours during ER writing books that earn little money); it's the stress from dealing with people. Extroverts on the other hand, should thrive on the social interaction and may not want to quit work and lose this....
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Re: I wonder what % of FIREs are Introverts?
04-16-2006, 04:58 PM
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Re: I wonder what % of FIREs are Introverts?
I think the personality test thing is kind of fun and probably accurate. It does seem as if people who test as introverts think they are introverts.
The problem is that such a test likely has no predictive power--it cannot tell how any individual might behave. So the test can be taken for fun, but employers shouldn't use it as a screening tool.
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