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Old 01-20-2016, 12:15 PM   #41
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I use Duolingo app every day.

Been using for months. Not sure I feel fluent.
I still recall talking with a German guy in Toronto some 40 years ago; he had learned English at school in Germany, and considered himself fluent.

Upon his arrival in Canada as an immigrant, he was asked by an immigration official if he spoke English.....he said "I answered 'yes', but I soon found out that I didn't".

Much used colloquialisms, and the tendency not to completely finish sentences, (on the presumption that the listener has already filled in the blanks), are among the many linguistic deviations not generally covered in formal language lessons.
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+1 for Chile.

Coastal areas northwest of Santiago (Vina Del Mar or Valparaiso are favorites. Inexpensive; clean; nice climate and stable country. People are reasonably friendly (moreso if you have passing Spanish) and easy place to live. Nice access to airport and v cosmopolitian cities .. some of the best wine on the planet ... access to the Andes for outdoor recreation (whole country is probably 1-2 hour drive wide - coast to summit at that latitude).

It is a long flight from anywhere in the US and they have BIG earthquakes...

A few examples here:

http://www.retireearlylifestyle.com/retire_to_chile.htm

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...e%20in%20chile
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I use Duolingo app every day.

Been using for months. Not sure I feel fluent.
IMHO, the only way for me to be fluent would be to move to the country and spend at least 6-8 months a year there, for five years minimum.

However, my American friends think I am brilliant when I can order in the native language, or ask a native a simple question and understand the answer.

And sometimes, it's nice to be able to get the gist of conversation or newspaper article, even if the details escape me.
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Croatia specifically the towns of Split and Dubrovnik are fantastic. Hung out there a bit as a student in 1989 as the wall was coming down. No idea post war how it turned out .... .
Today those cities are beautiful, safe, and completely overrun with cruise ship traffic.
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... Unless you're a college student, forget getting a Visa to live within the EU. ...
Spain offers both temporary and permanent residence visas to non-EU foreigners.
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I have not been to Croatia but think this would be a nice choice. It is NOT part of the EU so Schengen would not apply.
The Istria penninsula of NW Croatia has been part of Italy over the centuries, most recently at the end of WW2. It's delightful. Many speak Italian.

Croatia joined the EU in 2013. It is not yet part of the Schengen Visa Area.
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Part-time Mr. Science here. In the Koppen climate classification, Mediterranean is types Csa and Csb. A world map of Csa and Csb (click map to enlarge)
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If you want to get all scientific about it, here's a U.S. view of the climate classification scale:
The web site with that picture has a .kmz file download available if you want to zoom around the world in Google Earth looking for the green zones:
World Maps of Köppen-Geiger climate classification
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What about Croatia? Never been but supposedly more affordable than neighbor Italy to the west.
Been there for a month. Fabulous and inexpensive. Avoid Dubrovnik, Split and Zagreb to save money. There are many islands as well if you can handle that. We did an island cruise on a 38 passenger yacht and then rented a car and drove all the way north. Pula even has an intact colosseum. Tourists are mostly from eastern block up north. Krk is connected by causeway to the mainland. Everywhere else is a ferry ride away. 6 Kunas to the Euro.
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The central highland area of Mexico might qualify as Mediterranean climate (or close enough). Relatively low humidity, moderate year round temps (though perhaps more variation than the typical Mediterranean climates) with moderately warm summers (that sometimes hit in our spring) and cool winters.

San Miguel de Allende, the areas around Lake Chapala, Oaxaca, points in between, maybe Mexico city. Definitely on the lower end in terms of cost, though San Miguel de Allende was surprisingly expensive in terms of real estate. It's also a relatively short flight down there from the US.
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This article was interesting if you are looking for different measures of international retirement options - https://internationalliving.com/2016...o-retire-2016/
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Been there for a month. Fabulous and inexpensive. Avoid Dubrovnik, Split and Zagreb to save money. There are many islands as well if you can handle that. We did an island cruise on a 38 passenger yacht and then rented a car and drove all the way north. Pula even has an intact colosseum. Tourists are mostly from eastern block up north. Krk is connected by causeway to the mainland. Everywhere else is a ferry ride away. 6 Kunas to the Euro.
Avoid Zagreb, really? If you don't like European cities, I guess, but we really loved it there. Zagreb is like a smaller version of a Western European capital without the crowds. And by that standard, it was quite cheap as well.

We're still traveling around quite a bit but Zagreb is the place we might use as a base for the six months a year we're not allowed in the Schengen zone.
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Avoid Zagreb, really? If you don't like European cities, I guess, but we really loved it there. Zagreb is like a smaller version of a Western European capital without the crowds. And by that standard, it was quite cheap as well.
My interpretation of Keith's comment wasn't that he didn't like Zagreb, et al, but rather that, (for someone on a budget), there are less 'expensive' areas in Croatia that could be substituted...........but I could be wrong.
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This article was interesting if you are looking for different measures of international retirement options - https://internationalliving.com/2016...o-retire-2016/
Seems like they heavily weigh costs so Latin American countries are at the top of the list.

Not much about drug cartel crime for a place like Mexico.
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My interpretation of Keith's comment wasn't that he didn't like Zagreb, et al, but rather that, (for someone on a budget), there are less 'expensive' areas in Croatia that could be substituted...........but I could be wrong.
Yes we quite liked Zagreb. Spent a week there rather than hang around Pula. But Krk is a value leader with Adriatic views.
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I'm lucky enough to still live here in Sonoma County. If you can swing the price of properties now, come on back! Like others, I've also thought about moving after retirement but still haven't found a place a nice as Sonoma.
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Hi, I'm brand new to E-R. We'll be empty nesters in 2018 and anticipate retiring, downsizing and moving from our home in Virginia sometime after then. I'm originally from Sonoma County and desperately miss my dry CA summers without mosquitos, chiggers or AC. As much as I'd love to move back there, housing prices are crazy to the point where it just doesn't make economic sense until/unless the bubble pops.

Having said that, I would love to compile a list of suitable domestic or intl retirement destinations that have a Mediterranean climate and a low or moderate COL. I would prefer being within 30 miles of the coast so a far inland climate (with hotter summers) wouldn't be my first choice.

Looking forward to your responses!

Have you looked into San Luis Obispo? It's less expensive than the SF Bay Area and very nice.


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Have you looked into San Luis Obispo? It's less expensive than the SF Bay Area and very nice.

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Also cambria which is a bit to the north of slo



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SLO is very nice. College town, perfect climate, pleasant downtown. But a long way from SF or LA. I think I'd like to be closer to an intl airport. But the central coast is definitely on our radar.


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Be careful. I just read this

https://assetbuilder.com/knowledge-c...r-on-us-expats

Basically those living abroad may find they cannot easily invest in the USA


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