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Old 09-09-2016, 09:56 AM   #41
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I think it comes down to personality type. If I was type A, I can see how it would be easier to stay in the workforce where I could get the status, power, structure, etc. that I needed than to leave the workforce and create these things in retirement. Fortunately, I'm not type A, and a major motivator for ER was to get away from a lot of the things that type A's thrive on.
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'The flying fickle finger of fate.' or however the quote goes.

Looks like I may unER after a 22 year run. The Wife's Brother passed away from his second heart attack out on the Family Farm. Didn't farm (CRP) but a retired 'gear head' from mega corp over 25 plus years so tuning up for an auction of surplus in the spring of 2017.

Perils of Pauline sawmill driven by 128 hp Caterpillar Diesel, 7 tractors from a 1935 Farmal up to International rigged for log handling, 3 pickups 10 wheel C-60 down to Chevy Silverado, 2 ATVs and a small 1960 John Deere diesel bulldozer. Assorted mowers, snowplow and snowthrower(8 foot). Two machine shops 100 ton punch press , two bed mills, sheet metal roller, grinders, valve grinder, and others, drill presses, etc. etc. Assorted gas powered field welders, compressors and 4 or 5 chain saws. Maybe 20 - 30 cordless and regular electric hand tools plus three chest height machinist chests I haven't found the keys to yet.

Only the start - I have all winter to inventory 6 buildings from the 48 x 160 footer on down to the full size drive in tractor wash.

Auction in the Spring. Keeping the farm so mid contract CRP work Plus after 25 years as a bachelor the family farmhouse needs remodeling from 1965 when it got indoor plumbing and electricity.

heh heh heh - At age 73 the male hormones are twitching and the urge to remodel and tinker is strong. I need to keep a grip after 22 years of hard work toward professional slackerdom and 'high class ER'.
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In regards to the "what are you going to do all day?" question, I have started telling people the oh-so-great line, "Well, you know, I get up in the morning with nothing planned and yet I go to bed only getting half of it done." That usually shuts them up.

Oddly, Nords has posted an article on his blog about military folks that are in good positions to retire after 20+ years (as I did) but go on to have bridge careers instead.

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Anyone else think "what are you going to do all day/I'd get bored" is really "I can't afford to retire and won't admit it" instead?
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Anyone else think "what are you going to do all day/I'd get bored" is really "I can't afford to retire and won't admit it" instead?
Not for those who I'm personally familiar with. They are similar to the VC couple in rodi's first post. The guys I work with put in their seven days a week, love what they do, and can't imagine not doing it--even though they apparently spend little and are in their mid 50's to early 60's. They were simply puzzled as to why I would want to retire. Same is the case for some of DW's peers.
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The husband was SHOCKED that I was retired. I was too young, I must get bored, I was doing a disservice to myself and the world by not "contributing". I pointed out that I was happier than I'd ever been. (And this was confirmed to him by my sister and my husband.) He still felt I should be working.
I wonder what they thought you were not "contributing"?

(maybe to federal/state taxes, FICA, Medicare payments, unemployment funding....)
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I wonder what they thought you were not "contributing"?

(maybe to federal/state taxes, FICA, Medicare payments, unemployment funding....)
I suspect this is their way of patting themselves on the back by highlighting the imagined contrast (look at how much WE are contributing).
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Oddly, Nords has posted an article on his blog about military folks that are in good positions to retire after 20+ years (as I did) but go on to have bridge careers instead.

Why Military Retirees Keep Working - Military Guide

It's funny - during my last assignment (in the DC area) I had a guy working for me who was about my age with roughly the same number of years of service. It was also his last tour and we used to discuss post-retirement plans often. I planned to work for about 10 years post-Navy and he planned to completely retire and move to a place he had bought in the hills of Tennessee or NC. I remember I often said that guys like us were "too young to retire" (both 50-ish at the time.) Then he got a high-pay offer from a Beltway Bandit and retired sooner than planned to take it. I finished my career, took 3-4 months off and then took a job with a semi-BB. I soon learned I didn't enjoy it that much and used the next 6 years as a chance to sock away the bucks, retiring for good at 58. Last I heard, he was still working, doing very well and driving a BMW. I'm perfectly happy with retired life and my 12 year old Volvo.

From what I learned after retiring for good, I probably could have done fine retiring for good right after the Navy. Or working harder at finding a 2nd career I would have enjoyed more even if it didn't pay as well.
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Most of the offline people we know who voluntarily ERed were from outdoor / environmental kinds of clubs. So I guess people like that already have clubs and social groups outside the workplace and enjoy being outside more than inside office buildings.
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I wonder what they thought you were not "contributing"?

(maybe to federal/state taxes, FICA, Medicare payments, unemployment funding....)
retirees at my golf club keep a lot of people employed, a lot
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Anyone else think "what are you going to do all day/I'd get bored" is really "I can't afford to retire and won't admit it" instead?
No, not really. I actually think it's more of an "American" train of thought thing. We are taught from a very early age that work is what you do during the day, lol especially before your 60. we consider that our "prime" working/earning years so I do think it's confusing for some when they run into a person who willingly retires young.

I do know a few folks who retired before 58 who went back to work albeit part time just to have some thing to do.

My Portuguese In laws have a saying, "The world works to live, while Americans live to work". I do think we wrap our self worth in "working"
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Anyone else think "what are you going to do all day/I'd get bored" is really "I can't afford to retire and won't admit it" instead?
Maybe some folks. In my case, I would say about 1/4 of them are "jealous" and make snarky comments about it, but I am a salty, sarcastic bastard, so I can give it right back to them. The rest just truly think (thought) I would be bored, one of which was my uncle. He w*rked up until the day before he turned 62 and was just livid that I would just "quit w*rking" after the Air Force. Now that I have been retired going on 2 years, he seems more accepting and has joined the ranks of "should have retired earlier."


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It's funny - during my last assignment (in the DC area) I had a guy working for me who was about my age with roughly the same number of years of service. It was also his last tour and we used to discuss post-retirement plans often. I planned to work for about 10 years post-Navy and he planned to completely retire and move to a place he had bought in the hills of Tennessee or NC. I remember I often said that guys like us were "too young to retire" (both 50-ish at the time.) Then he got a high-pay offer from a Beltway Bandit and retired sooner than planned to take it. I finished my career, took 3-4 months off and then took a job with a semi-BB. I soon learned I didn't enjoy it that much and used the next 6 years as a chance to sock away the bucks, retiring for good at 58. Last I heard, he was still working, doing very well and driving a BMW. I'm perfectly happy with retired life and my 12 year old Volvo.

From what I learned after retiring for good, I probably could have done fine retiring for good right after the Navy. Or working harder at finding a 2nd career I would have enjoyed more even if it didn't pay as well.

Funny you mention Tennessee. I personally know 4 others that completely retired after serving in the military. 3 of them were officers and one of them was enlisted like myself. I still talk to 3 of the 4 and they are still retired and 2 of them live in the woods of Tennessee. The other one disappeared into the mountains of Pennsylvania and no one I know has heard from him since he retired about 10 years ago. He truly went "off the grid."
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At 66 I no longer get that question but I did when I retired at 52. But given my job (police officer) it was fairly normal to retire at that age. Trust me, with some very rare exceptions you really don't want 60-year-old police officers still working.
Yesterday I got waived over onto a detour as there was some sort of police action going on up ahead. This was in a residential neighborhood, not out on a highway. As we poked along police were sprinting around, really moving, with rifles and gear. They were all young, and no one seemed to be huffing and puffing.

By the time we got out onto the arterial, 3 or 4 guys were sitting on the grass with cuffed arms behind them, and the police seemed calm.

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Almost every person who I tell I'm retired ALWAYS ask me " whatcha" going to do all day. My reply "whatever I want"
Same here.

Some folks can't see the forest for the trees. Some people know they can't afford to retire early. Some people love what they do and I this I understand even though it isn't me, after all the saying is if you do something you love you'll never work a day in your life.

I never liked working so I started planning to retire almost as soon as I started. So like a lot of folks here my mindset was different than others.
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We here in the ER world have to think like "I don't give a crap" outliers because that's what we are, at least in this regard. Many of us here are probably outliers in other ways, too. I was always an outlier growing up, being an atheist and childfree, leaving me job-free, god-free, and child-free. I am also drug-free, alcohol-free, and smoke-free. Making myself job-free was the icing on a nice, big cake (which I can't really eat because I am now a diabetic, as in sugar-free!).
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I actually think it's more of an "American" train of thought thing. We are taught from a very early age that work is what you do during the day,
I agree that this probably accounts for quite a lot of it.
The Puritan/Calvinist work ethic is so ingrained in many people.

I'm so grateful that I didn't fall into that trap!
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'The flying fickle finger of fate.' or however the quote goes.

Looks like I may unER after a 22 year run. The Wife's Brother passed away from his second heart attack out on the Family Farm. Didn't farm (CRP) but a retired 'gear head' from mega corp over 25 plus years so tuning up for an auction of surplus in the spring of 2017.

Perils of Pauline sawmill driven by 128 hp Caterpillar Diesel, 7 tractors from a 1935 Farmal up to International rigged for log handling, 3 pickups 10 wheel C-60 down to Chevy Silverado, 2 ATVs and a small 1960 John Deere diesel bulldozer. Assorted mowers, snowplow and snowthrower(8 foot). Two machine shops 100 ton punch press , two bed mills, sheet metal roller, grinders, valve grinder, and others, drill presses, etc. etc. Assorted gas powered field welders, compressors and 4 or 5 chain saws. Maybe 20 - 30 cordless and regular electric hand tools plus three chest height machinist chests I haven't found the keys to yet.

Only the start - I have all winter to inventory 6 buildings from the 48 x 160 footer on down to the full size drive in tractor wash.

Auction in the Spring. Keeping the farm so mid contract CRP work Plus after 25 years as a bachelor the family farmhouse needs remodeling from 1965 when it got indoor plumbing and electricity.

heh heh heh - At age 73 the male hormones are twitching and the urge to remodel and tinker is strong. I need to keep a grip after 22 years of hard work toward professional slackerdom and 'high class ER'.
Sounds like the farm might be a candidate for a visit from the folks from the American Pickers TV show as well.
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Looks like I may unER after a 22 year run. The Wife's Brother passed away from his second heart attack out on the Family Farm. Didn't farm (CRP) but a retired 'gear head' from mega corp over 25 plus years so tuning up for an auction of surplus in the spring of 2017.

Perils of Pauline sawmill driven by 128 hp Caterpillar Diesel, 7 tractors from a 1935 Farmal up to International rigged for log handling, 3 pickups 10 wheel C-60 down to Chevy Silverado, 2 ATVs and a small 1960 John Deere diesel bulldozer...
For folks unfamiliar with American agriculture: CRP = Conservation Reserve Program. My extended family owns farmland an hour east of Kansas City.

Does the 1935 Farmall tractor still run? They don't make them like that any more.
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For folks unfamiliar with American agriculture: CRP = Conservation Reserve Program. My extended family owns farmland an hour east of Kansas City.

Does the 1935 Farmall tractor still run? They don't make them like that any more.
Don't know. Making arrangements to get a local 'Farmall expert' over to help before I hand crank. I who have never sat in a tractor in my life have got 4 out of 7 started - all praise to U-Tube. The 1066 diesel needs the batteries charged(I think) and 656 gas is not getting fuel past the carb. Coughs with engine start but won't run.

heh heh heh - I have dug out an old pair of Bib overalls and flannel shirt for a busy Fall.
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