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Old 04-29-2014, 06:31 AM   #61
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Love the Colorado landscape; we considered Salida a contender for retirement. No more, thanks to the drug laws - or particular lack of them. We'll still go to visit, but not to live.
seraphim, I'm curious why our drug laws would make you decide to not live here. I assume you're talking about recreational mj. The effects I've seen so far have been pretty insignificant, a drop in the bucket compared to medical mj at any rate. On a day-to-day basis, except for the news coverage, I don't see much effect.

Salida's a pretty nice place, and I'm sorry you won't get to enjoy it as you might have.

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I saw your pics in the "What did you do today?" thread but didn't want to respond there.

I wanted to share a 'trick" that we used in our new build when insulating that worked out well for us. Similar to you, we had a walkout and wood studded walls (in our case 2x4). We decided to do spray foam insulation.

What we did was to put 1x3 strapping horizontally on the outside of the studs at the top and bottom of the wall and every 24" in between and we then attached the sheathing on the outside of the strapping so there was a 3/4" gap between the studs and the sheathing other than where the studs and strapping intersect. So after the foam was applied we ended up with a 3/4" solid foam wall and 3 3/4" in the stud bays. As a result, thermal bridging is significantly reduced other than where the studs and strapping intersect which is a very small percentage of the wall. This approach was easier and less expensive than using 3/4" foam board between the studs and sheathing or sheathing and siding which were the other alternative we considered..
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I saw your pics in the "What did you do today?" thread but didn't want to respond there.

I wanted to share a 'trick" that we used in our new build when insulating that worked out well for us. Similar to you, we had a walkout and wood studded walls (in our case 2x4). We decided to do spray foam insulation.

What we did was to put 1x3 strapping horizontally on the outside of the studs at the top and bottom of the wall and every 24" in between and we then attached the sheathing on the outside of the strapping so there was a 3/4" gap between the studs and the sheathing other than where the studs and strapping intersect. So after the foam was applied we ended up with a 3/4" solid foam wall and 3 3/4" in the stud bays. As a result, thermal bridging is significantly reduced other than where the studs and strapping intersect which is a very small percentage of the wall. This approach was easier and less expensive than using 3/4" foam board between the studs and sheathing or sheathing and siding which were the other alternative we considered..
Thanks for the info pb4uski. I have investigated many approaches to insulation. If I had it to do over again, I would very seriously consider structural insulated panels (SIPs). We have extreme winds up here so my plan is to spray one inch of high density low expansion foam inside the outer walls. This will create a very tight outer shell and the foam is the same stuff as Gorilla Glue, so it will add a lot of structural strength. I am going to heat primarily with a wood stove and one guy who I helped build his house said it isn't worth worrying about if you heat with free wood and I have a forest of wood. That seemed pretty pragmatic to me and it will probably be OK to not worry about the thermal bridging. I will have a gas furnace, but that is mostly for a backup and to move the air around because the wood stove will be on the upper floor. Other items to minimize heat loss will be an outside air draw for the wood stove and furnace and if the house is as tight as I think it will be, I will also put in a heat recovery ventilator (HRV). The outside foundation walls are also made using insulated concrete forms. I'm hoping for a very cozy house.
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We were in Salida Thursday and didn't see any differences now that the MJ laws were in effect. Still a nice little town although Canon City (see separate thread) has more choices in both grocery stores and restaurants.
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I hear you on things to do over again. I considered SIPs but my builder wasn't comfortable with them and I wanted my builder more than I wanted SIPs. I also found the idea of just doing all the outside walls in concrete using insluated forms interesting.

I assume that you'll have conventional insulation inside the 1" of foam? If so, you may want to go with 2" otherwise you might have condensation issues in the wall cavity as 1" may not be sufficient to serve as a vapor barrier from what I have read. Given you are in a very cold area you might even need more than 2" to have a vapor barrier.

If you are going with conventional insulation inside the bays over the foam I would highly recommend Roxul over fiberglass.. It costs a bit more but since you are doing it yourself is very easy to work with and not at all itchy. It fits into the stud bays nice and snug and does not deteriorate if it gets wet. I used it insulating the ground floor walls of my garage and was quite pleased with it.
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I have been leaning toward loose cellulose, but I just checked the AVS forum and Roxul appears to be the "go to" insulation for home theater sound insulation. I'm putting a home theater in the basement. Tests that were done show that spray-in cellulose is actually better than Roxul for sound insulation. Thanks for the info. I will probably decide between cellulose and Roxul.

Temperatures have not been that cold this winter with overnight lows in the high teen or low 20s most nights. It got down to -30 a couple of nights last year but this year the lowest has been more like -15. Humidity is pretty low and the sun shines a lot so I don't think I will have a problem with condensation. Any condensation that I do get will dry pretty quickly to the outside of the house. I will also put a layer of plastic behind the drywall on both the walls and ceiling and seal all openings such as outlets.
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We have an air exchange system. We started with a HRV and found we were getting too much condensation so we swapped out the HRV core for an ERV core which also acts as a dehumidifier and added a condensation drain. If I were doing it again I would at least add a condensation drain during construction to an area near where the unit is (ours is in the attic). I ended up tapping into the vent... not totally kosher but it was the best alternative available and with a S-trap seems to work fine.

Also, the air exchange vendor told us that we did not need bathroom exhaust fans since the air intakes are in the bathrooms (and the kitchen). He was totally wrong on that, the air exchanger can't keep up with the humidity when taking a shower. If I had a do over I would put bathroom exhaust fans in each bathroom where there is a tub or shower.

I suggest you do some additional research on the amount of foam needed. My understanding is that if the foam is too thin that when the warm inside air gets through the cellulose or Roxul and contacts the cold foam that the risk is getting condensation inside the wall cavity that gets trapped. See Hybrid Insulation Techniques | GreenBuildingAdvisor.com
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We have an air exchange system. We started with a HRV and found we were getting too much condensation so we swapped out the HRV core for an ERV core which also acts as a dehumidifier and added a condensation drain. If I were doing it again I would at least add a condensation drain during construction to an area near where the unit is (ours is in the attic). I ended up tapping into the vent... not totally kosher but it was the best alternative available and with a S-trap seems to work fine.

Also, the air exchange vendor told us that we did not need bathroom exhaust fans since the air intakes are in the bathrooms (and the kitchen). He was totally wrong on that, the air exchanger can't keep up with the humidity when taking a shower. If I had a do over I would put bathroom exhaust fans in each bathroom where there is a tub or shower.

I suggest you do some additional research on the amount of foam needed. My understanding is that if the foam is too thin that when the warm inside air gets through the cellulose or Roxul and contacts the cold foam that the risk is getting condensation inside the wall cavity that gets trapped. See Hybrid Insulation Techniques | GreenBuildingAdvisor.com
Thanks for the info. I spent a lot of time on Green Building Advisor when planning the home. I will revisit the insulation plans before I start the wall insulation.

It seems to me the bathroom exhaust fans would defeat the purpose of the HRV/ERV. As I understand it, if the system is balanced and sized correctly, it should take care of bathroom exhaust. I don't have any experience with this type of system, so I will do some more research. My smallish house will have one bath on each floor. (I had to conserve space for the important things: wood shop and home theater. )
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I would have thought it should take care of bathroom exhaust too. I have been totally unsuccessful in getting the guy that installed it to respond to our issues and it pi**es me off as he was highly recommended.
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Those are fantastic views, we are jealous.

How long do they think construction will take?

Be sure to send pictures of the progress.
I'm finally getting started on the upper level walls. I have found that construction by one person is very slow, but I am having fun doing it. Here are a couple of pictures. I got the floor on last November (I may have posted these pictures in another thread). I spent the rest of the winter sweeping snow off of the floor and laying out the top and bottom plates for the outside walls on the upper floor. I didn't want to have to worry about sweeping snow around walls so I waited for better weather to start the upper walls. The better weather happened this week with a couple of beautiful days. The first couple of pictures are of the lower level last November and then the upper walls just getting started this week. That's the door to the garage and the stair well leading to the lower level.
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Looking good, I see 2x6 walls? Good for added insulation. Single story upper (main) level or additional second story? Fantastic views!
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Looking good, I see 2x6 walls? Good for added insulation. Single story upper (main) level or additional second story? Fantastic views!
Thanks. Its basically a small ranch with a walkout basement and lots of garage space.
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Yes, time flies. This thread started almost a year ago. I scroll through and see that I participated too.
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Fun reading the thread; I think I saw it back when you started.

Our cabin is about 12 miles above the Royal Gorge on Copper Gulch Rd. God's Country out there.
Look forward to seeing your place when you finish it.
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Fun reading the thread; I think I saw it back when you started.

Our cabin is about 12 miles above the Royal Gorge on Copper Gulch Rd. God's Country out there.
Look forward to seeing your place when you finish it.
Hi RobLJ,

It certainly is God's country!

Is that east of Elevenmile Reservoir? I'm about 15 miles north of Florissant, east of the Tarryall Mountains.
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It certainly is God's country!

Is that east of Elevenmile Reservoir? I'm about 15 miles north of Florissant, east of the Tarryall Mountains.
We got lost driving back from Cripple Creek in a driving rainstorm (almost ran into a herd of about 60 elk), so I know exactly where you are. Great area.

For us, you drive West from Canon City on 50 towards Salida and take a left on Country Road 3 (Copper Gulch) right after you pass the Arkansas bridge toward the South Rim entrance to the Gorge. Then 11 miles up the road and a couple thousand feet.

The cabin's at 7500 feet, which can be interesting in winter coming from Houston; if you're at 8500, I'm glad you have the Jeep (we have Subarus).

Granddad built his cabin in the Crystal River Valley below Aspen when I was 6, also at 7500 feet; love the whole area from our cabin over to his area and Glenwood Springs. I like to quote Del Gue from Jeremiah Johnson:

("These here are God's finest sculpturings and there ain't no laws for the brave ones!. . .")
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Fun reading the thread; I think I saw it back when you started.

Our cabin is about 12 miles above the Royal Gorge on Copper Gulch Rd. God's Country out there.
Look forward to seeing your place when you finish it.

The Royal Gorge..... Learned something about myself there I did not know. I was driving a group of friends there about 5 years ago and decided the last minute to walk across it instead of driving. Turned out to be the correct choice. As we were about to walk across that bridge my legs locked up and wouldn't step on that bridge. I couldn't make make myself move. Tried 4-5 different times before I gave up. And there were 4 year olds running all over the place. Pretty sad, I didn't know I had such fear of heights.


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I'm about 15 miles north of Florissant, east of the Tarryall Mountains.
First house I ever owned was in Florissant, in a little subdivision off Teller County 1. I loved that little house and location. Loved it.

Would probably still be there, if the lure of stock options and working for a high-tech startup in Silicon Valley (that later failed) hadn't lured me away.

Good luck with the building plans, and enjoy living up there. Definitely God's country.
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Yesterday was a big day. Raised and set the trusses on the house. Not a bad day's work for a bunch of old geezers! Ground breaking was just over one year ago. Hope to get it dried in and finished on the outside before winter sets in.
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looking good my friend. Snow comes early....keep it movin Hermit!!!
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