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Old 12-17-2007, 12:34 PM   #121
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I have to say I thought this thread was worthwhile. Meadh posted a lovely poem. There were little gems scattered here and there. Judging from the number of active users viewing this thread at any one time, it is popular. Maybe we like car crashes?

How about we call it quits now, there doesn't seem to be anywhere good to go at this point.
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Old 12-17-2007, 12:39 PM   #122
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Bongo, breathing could be termed selfish.
I think where you run into trouble is when you say that ER is not only selfish, but damaging to society. That is where I feel you are wrong.

As for the 'taking a job someone else could have' I don't think that is such an empty argument as you seem to feel.
I have thought a few times about getting a job at a bookstore or such. However, there is something to be said for the idea that if I take a job to fill my time, I am not allowing someone else who may be trying to get that job to support themselves or even family.
I don't need the income. So I would say taking a job you don't need away from someone that does, is increadibly selfish.
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Jumping in at (what will hopefully be) the end of this thread.

I just want to say that being FIREd is such a positive experience that allows life to be lived the way it should be lived (except of course if you're Bongo) that I'm actually not smarting from his comments or the question he posed. It allows you to so totally be yourself and accept yourself, without having to justify yourself to supervisors and co-workers, that you can deal with the nay-sayers and finger-pointers.

Bongo has the right to question whether ER is selfish. He also has the motivation to do so, since chances are that being FIREd won't occur in his future anytime soon. Interesting how he wanted it enough to join this board in his thirties---quite young---but now seems to have a moral dilemma about it. Or perhaps reality has just set in. From his post, I would suspect that his lifestyle is less LBYM than many of ours (three kids, bigger/more expensive home). This may not be his fault per se; it may well be what his wife wants or the existence of the three kids...but all these reflect choices he has made (having the kids, choosing the wife).

I would suggest that Bongo examine his own life and make sure he is living in an entirely selfless way. A big home, three kids....hmmmm...does anyone see where I am going with this? Is he environmentally selfish? And if I am less environmentally selfish because I choose to live in a smaller home and be childfree and have a lesser carbon footprint, does that balance out my (in Bongo's eyes) being socioeconomically selfish?
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I just found it amusing that someone would judgmentally insult an entire body of people that he doesnt know very much about, and then simper about being personally attacked for his efforts.
But it's for our own good.
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How about we call it quits now, there doesn't seem to be anywhere good to go at this point.
Not until bongo2 sees the light!

We are the vanguard of the new anti-productivity movement. Join us, bongo2, as we exit the rat race en masse, dial-down productivity, put an end to conspicuous consumption, and engage in sustainable slacking.
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My apologies to all.
Too late for that, Bongo. You had a chance waaaaay back in response #52 but sticking to your guns does not gain you extra karma points any more than it did for H0cu$.

I have to admit, though, that you're the first person added to my "Ignore Poster" list because I felt sorry for them. Hopefully that's unique.

I'd tell you to have a nice life now, but you're too busy trying to live your life according to other people's standards. So I'll just wish you good luck with that, although it might help to review some of Azanon's ruminations on that subject.

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I have to say I thought this thread was worthwhile. Meadh posted a lovely poem. There were little gems scattered here and there.
How about we call it quits now, there doesn't seem to be anywhere good to go at this point.
If the thread must be closed-- a decision I don't agree with, not that I have a vote-- then let's close it by adding it to the "Best of the Board" forum.

Otherwise I think this thread will live longer than Ted's farewell or even "Funny Joke Thursday"...
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"Sustainable slacker" I like the sound of that! Sounds better than the generic "retired"!
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Not until bongo2 sees the light!

We are the vanguard of the new anti-productivity movement. Join us, bongo2, as we exit the rat race en masse, dial-down productivity, put an end to conspicuous consumption, and engage in sustainable slacking.
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I'd agree with Bongo if he'd change his proposition ever so slightly to "Retirement is Shellfish". Well seasoned and done to perfection, it's dang good!
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As I mentioned before itís interesting how quickly we degenerate into personal attacks. Iím illogical and uninformed. ... Iím picking fights in order to . . . well, something Iím sure.

My apologies to all.
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You accuse us of insulting savings slackers by being frugal and you wonder why we think you are picking fights?
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If someone is retiring early because they have found something more important to do, rather than something more frivolous to do, then they should say so and avoid the stigma.
I must have missed the memo defining the "stigma" of the word "retiree"

Proud to be selfish...I am in the workforce to fund my existence now and for ER.
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I'd agree with Bongo if he'd change his proposition ever so slightly to "Retirement is Shellfish". Well seasoned and done to perfection, it's dang good!


Now, kids, since we don't seem to have run out of energy on this little gem, how bout we take it from the top. Maybe Bongo can re-state his original point and we can all comment on it. Whaddya think? Huh? Guys - don't go. It's a good idea! Why is everyone leaving? I'm just trying to help. Guys? Anyone?

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NOTHING beats "funny joke thursday"!!!

I'm not really done yet, but I've run out of interest. Theres sort of no more 'there' there.

But the spirit is willing.
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Sure, I'll wait for bongo's new thread:

Proposition: Perform an Appendectomy on Yourself?

It'd probably beat going back to work.
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Anyone else know that a sex change operation is sometimes referred as an addadictomy?

Okay, now i'm done.
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Iím a little saddened by this, because I have a feeling all my future posts will be colored by this exchange.
Reputation has to do with our past actions, no?
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Martha,

I ask that this thread not be locked just yet. I want to think about bongo2's latest comments and respond.

Despite the insults and attacks, this thread has been valuable to me. It's interesting to me to help clarify my thinking and see where the basic disagreements are between myself and others.
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