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Old 08-10-2006, 09:53 PM   #21
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Dear Cut,

I bet he does win Minnesota. I think McGovern, Mondole and the other loser, Doocockis won that state too.
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Re: Shook Hands with John Edwards This noon...............
Old 08-10-2006, 11:04 PM   #22
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If all I had to do is meet John Edwards after I retire I think I would just keep working!!!
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Clinton was quite inspiring in 1992, until he got into office and broke all of his campaign promises.* (Such as his vow to issue a Truman-esque executive order integrating the military in terms of sexual orientation, which later devolved into the "Don't ask, don't tell" debacle.)* Disappointing, but not airheaded.
I don't agree with Powell's stand, but he stared down his commander-in-chief on this issue... and Clinton blinked.
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I don't agree with Powell's stand, but he stared down his commander-in-chief on this issue... and Clinton blinked.
I know. Not very "executive" of him. Maybe the word I want for Clinton is "spineless." The more I think about him... about the only good thing I can say about Clinton is that he had so little backbone that he never really did very much. Which is better than actively causing damage, and seems to have been just what the economy needed at the time anyway.

He gave great TV, and was no airhead. But his promises were worthless.
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On the subject of in-person vs on-TV appearance, I also saw Clinton live, giving an impromptu/short-notice speech on the beach in Waikiki, shortly after he took office. Quite rousing. He wowed folks when he passed a Japanese couple who had just gotten married, and congratulated them in Japanese. Everybody thought, "hey, we actually have a guy with a clue in office for once!"

I also saw Papa Bush give a speech in person shortly after he became vice-president. In the primaries, he had seemed relatively articulate and intelligent, coining the phrase "voodoo economics" to attack Reagan's economic policies. Of course, once he became Reagan's running mate, he just rolled over and said, "hey, whatever the Big Guys says sounds good to me." In person, he seemed even more weak and spineless than he did on TV at that point. Someone in the crowd asked him about his flip-flop on economic policy, and he just stammered out some evasion in reply. You'd think his handlers would have at least had a snappy comeback prepared for that predictable one. I think his spirit and will were crushed by that period of subservience, and he never really recovered even after he became president in his own right.
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I know. Not very "executive" of him. Maybe the word I want for Clinton is "spineless." The more I think about him... about the only good thing I can say about Clinton is that he had so little backbone that he never really did very much. Which is better than actively causing damage, and seems to have been just what the economy needed at the time anyway.

He gave great TV, and was no airhead. But his promises were worthless.
WOW... could not have said it better...

But, from a conservative guy (that is getting VERY pissed at the Republicans who spend like drunken sailors, and with Bush not doing the war right etc. etc. etc.... sorry, rant)... I think Clinton COULD have been one of the best dems in a long time.. he is very smart and can read what people want.. but, no spine to get what he wants...

It was funny seeing the Republicans hate his so much (I know I did)... but they kept trying to get him... almost like the dems when they kept going after Ronald Regan... he was a lot smarter than they would admit..

To tell the truth.. I would love to have the Republicans keep congress and a dem get elected president... nice gridlock with HOPEFULLY the spending going down... what happened to that balance budget they promised??
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Edwards will always be a "bad-science" trial lawyer to me. His entire (legal) career
is offensive. While I do not expect politicians to have much in the way of
ethics (any that do are usually not electable), he sets a deplorable standard.
I don't understand this comment.* Laws are written by the various legislative bodies.* Trials are held before a judge.* The judge decides questions of law, and the judge or a jury decides questions of fact.* One of a lawyer's most basic ethical obligations is to represent his or her client's interests as vigorously as possible.* Appeals are available to guard against mistakes.* In this system, Edwards was a very successful lawyer.* *What, exactly, are you accusing him of having done?*
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If all I had to do is meet John Edwards after I retire I think I would just keep working!!!
I guess I don't get out enough..still it beats working
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Well jeff,

I just wanted to test Edwards here and see how many negative comments we could get about him from the GOP spin machine. He sounds like the perfect candidate to me! 8).

The GOP would love to see Hillary as the nominee, because they know she can't win! But Edwards can win and they know it!

Today, we have a spoiled rich kid as President that failed at every business he attempted. He has put this country in world disgrace, increased our enemies, and has created an economic disaster. John Edwards is the polar opposite. And the polar opposite is exactly what this country needs right now.

As far as Clinton being a do nothing president, I guess the posters that commented were just tired of 8 years of peace and prosperity.
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Yeah, he's an airhead in the same vein as John F. Kennedy and Bill Clinton.
Does he believe in cutting marginal tax rates a la Kennedy?* An inconvenient truth for libs is the last round of marginal cuts by Bush resulted in a net gain in government revenues.
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Does he believe in cutting marginal tax rates a la Kennedy? An inconvenient truth for libs is the last round of marginal cuts by Bush resulted in a net gain in government revenues.
I have no problem with tax cuts by anyone, believe it grows the economy and increases taxes, I just wish most of the cuts were on the lower end - like increasing the 10% & 15% ranges....
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As far as Clinton being a do nothing president, I guess the posters that commented were just tired of 8 years of peace and prosperity.
Its funny to see Clinton being painted as a "do-nothing" President. *I actually think he got a lot more done than Bush could ever hope to do (aside from starting a disastrous series of wars). *I didn't always like the things that Clinton did, but I thought he was a canny politician that was able to horse trade, bargain and work with the other side to make reasonable choices and get things done. *He has been accused of trying to be "all things to all people" and therefore wishywashy, but that what a centrist politician interested in sorting things out ha to do, particularly when they don't have both houses of congress in their back pocket.

He appears to have had the personal morals of an alleycat, but I never much cared what any adult did with their private lives. *Hey, never mind Edwards, Ronmey, et al: get Bill Clinton to run again!
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An inconvenient truth for libs is the last round of marginal cuts by Bush resulted in a net gain in government revenues.
This logical fallacy is called "post hoc, ergo propter hoc." *Cons suffer from it all the time *
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Does he believe in cutting marginal tax rates a la Kennedy?* An inconvenient truth for libs is the last round of marginal cuts by Bush resulted in a net gain in government revenues.
The problem is that we have been slashing taxes and still spending money to beat the band. The gaping fiscal deficit is already putting pressure on rates and the USD. We have been given a reprieve because Asian central banks have seen fit to prop up the USD and lend us money, but that won't go on forever. There are a lot of economic and political presssures on the Chinese to let their currency appreciate. Given China's apetite for raw materials (coal, oil, steel, etc.), what do you think the inflationary outlook will be if the Chines allow the Yuan to strengthen 50% vs. the USD? It won't be pretty. We should be cleaning up our fiscal mess and, if necessary, raise taxes. It is stupid to politicize this stuff.
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...were just tired of 8 years of peace and prosperity.
Lest we forget:

You're welcome, from all the military who were killed or injured during SOUTHERN WATCH, Mogadishu, Kosovo, and all the other "peaceful & prosperous" deployments.

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Lest we forget:

You're welcome, from all the military who were killed or injured during SOUTHERN WATCH, Mogadishu, Kosovo, and all the other "peaceful & prosperous" deployments.

Without taking away from the sacrifices of those involved, those engagements (many of which were stupid and unnecessary) were orders of magnitude smaller than the quagmires we find ourselves in today. No President comes out with his hands entirely clean; this is unfortnately all relative.
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He did ABSOLUTELY nothing for this state when he was senator.* cpc
So, how's Eliz. Dole doing for you guys as Senator. She strikes me as rather self-posturing and smarmingly, saccharinely obsequious.
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Today, we have a spoiled rich kid as President that failed at every business he attempted. He has put this country in world disgrace, increased our enemies, and has created an economic disaster. John Edwards is the polar opposite. And the polar opposite is exactly what this country needs right now.
1. I suppose turning a $600K investment into $14,900,000 would qualify as a "failure" in your book

2. Since he is such as "spoiled rich kid" perhaps you can tell us the successful business ventures started by JFK, or FDR or were they "spoiled rich kids too?"

3. Surely GWB can aspire one day to have the business savy of a Jimmy Carter or Bill Clinton?

Also, do you really think it took W to make Muslims hate the US? I suppose the embassy bombings, 1996 WTC bombings, Beirut kidnappings, and Marine Barrack bombings were just love taps from our devout little friends?

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1. I suppose turning a $600K investment into $14,900,000 would qualify as a "failure" in your book*
Heck, Hilary did better than that in commodities!
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