Join Early Retirement Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 03-07-2015, 07:53 AM   #21
Moderator
Ronstar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: A little ways southwest of Chicago
Posts: 9,354
Working as needed, wherever, whenever, was expected from the owners of our small engineering company. So I used to send/ receive emails and phone calls 24/7. It did get stressful because the technology made it possible and expected to get more work done. I still have a company smartphone 11 months into retirement - just in case they have to contact me. Luckily this has been rare.


Sent from my iPhone (:.using Early Retirement .//82339)
__________________

__________________
Ronstar is offline   Reply With Quote
Join the #1 Early Retirement and Financial Independence Forum Today - It's Totally Free!

Are you planning to be financially independent as early as possible so you can live life on your own terms? Discuss successful investing strategies, asset allocation models, tax strategies and other related topics in our online forum community. Our members range from young folks just starting their journey to financial independence, military retirees and even multimillionaires. No matter where you fit in you'll find that Early-Retirement.org is a great community to join. Best of all it's totally FREE!

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest so you have limited access to our community. Please take the time to register and you will gain a lot of great new features including; the ability to participate in discussions, network with our members, see fewer ads, upload photographs, create a retirement blog, send private messages and so much, much more!

Old 03-07-2015, 10:33 AM   #22
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
robnplunder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Bay Area
Posts: 2,124
This is why I refused to have a smartphone (= immediate e-mail response expected). I have a regular phone and turn it off during non work hours. If anyone want to contact me, they have to do it via home phone or e-mail. I.e, I don't work on weekends. What are they gonna do? ER me?
__________________

__________________
Pura Vida
robnplunder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-07-2015, 10:39 AM   #23
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
Midpack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Chicagoland
Posts: 11,977
Quote:
Originally Posted by robnplunder View Post
This is why I refused to have a smartphone (= immediate e-mail response expected). I have a regular phone and turn it off during non work hours. If anyone want to contact me, they have to do it via home phone or e-mail. I.e, I don't work on weekends. What are they gonna do? ER me?
Refusing is not an option in more and more lines of work everyday, employers can make it a condition of employment very easily.
__________________
No one agrees with other people's opinions; they merely agree with their own opinions -- expressed by somebody else. Sydney Tremayne
Retired Jun 2011 at age 57

Target AA: 60% equity funds / 35% bond funds / 5% cash
Target WR: Approx 2.5% Approx 20% SI (secure income, SS only)
Midpack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-07-2015, 10:52 AM   #24
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
robnplunder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Bay Area
Posts: 2,124
Quote:
Originally Posted by Midpack View Post
Refusing is not an option in more and more lines of work everyday, employers can make it a condition of employment very easily.
I feel sorry for those folks. Life is too short to get tied to a work 24 x 7, unless one enjoys that sort of life style.
__________________
Pura Vida
robnplunder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-07-2015, 11:45 AM   #25
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
JoeWras's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 2,525
Quote:
Originally Posted by Midpack View Post
Refusing is not an option in more and more lines of work everyday, employers can make it a condition of employment very easily.
And it is getting worse. A few years ago, the company would issue a phone for you and pay the bill. Today, it is getting more and more common that they just assume you'll bring your own.

This is called "BYOD" (Bring Your Own Device) and is a hot topic of discussion on both sides regarding privacy, security and expense.
__________________
JoeWras is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-07-2015, 12:20 PM   #26
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
Midpack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Chicagoland
Posts: 11,977
Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeWras View Post
And it is getting worse. A few years ago, the company would issue a phone for you and pay the bill. Today, it is getting more and more common that they just assume you'll bring your own.

This is called "BYOD" (Bring Your Own Device) and is a hot topic of discussion on both sides regarding privacy, security and expense.
As someone who once administered same, I can see both sides. Being on call was a necessary condition of employment for many.

We were happy to issue company phones in the pre-smartphone days and later smartish BlackBerry's, but eventually more and more (especially younger) employees had their own smartphones. They (understandably) considered it a real "hassle" to have two phones (one personal, one work) - and did NOT want to give up their iPhones or the like. THEY told us they would rather use their own phones for work too (hated "clunky" BlackBerry's anyway), provided we put them on speed dial vs publishing their actual personal phone numbers (perfectly reasonable IMO). [Some actually chose to disclose their personal phone numbers to select co-workers, but not all.]

If anyone who outside the facility (away from speed dial) needed to contact them in a legit emergency, if they called me or another Manager/Supervisor, we would get the callers number and have the away employee call back (again, legit emergency only) vs ever giving out anyone's phone number.

We gladly reimbursed them for the talk/text/data plan we needed them to have for work alone, and they paid anything above that. We didn't have to buy phones anymore, and employees saved a lot on phone plans - win-win? Everyone seemed amenable to that...may be different now, I've been gone for almost 4 years.
__________________
No one agrees with other people's opinions; they merely agree with their own opinions -- expressed by somebody else. Sydney Tremayne
Retired Jun 2011 at age 57

Target AA: 60% equity funds / 35% bond funds / 5% cash
Target WR: Approx 2.5% Approx 20% SI (secure income, SS only)
Midpack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-07-2015, 02:54 PM   #27
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
JoeWras's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 2,525
Midpack. Yes, this transition is still going on. That's what I mean by a topic of discussion from both sides. It is evolving.

I'm not a fan of BYOD, but the kids love it. They don't give a flip about privacy either.

Different world coming.
__________________
JoeWras is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2015, 08:55 AM   #28
Full time employment: Posting here.
Al in Ohio's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Columbus OH
Posts: 688
I just refuse to do it. I saw it coming the moment texting and smartphone email became available. I held the line to not use either after hours or weekends since the start and refused to ever since. Its not that hard.

Willpower and boundaries. Stay true to your beliefs. Its empowering yourself.


Sent from my iPhone using Early Retirement Forum
__________________
Ohio INTJ ENG ER Hopeful
Al in Ohio is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2015, 08:59 AM   #29
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
Midpack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Chicagoland
Posts: 11,977
Quote:
Originally Posted by Al in Ohio View Post
I just refuse to do it. I saw it coming the moment texting and smartphone email became available. I held the line to not use either after hours or weekends since the start and refused to ever since. Its not that hard in some jobs, though I realize it's impossible to refuse in many other careers.

Willpower and boundaries. Stay true to your beliefs. Its empowering yourself.
FIFY.

It can be beneficial to employees and employers both, many professionals fully appreciate that. With a simple policy and written employee acknowledgement, a
n employer can legally require salaried (FLSA exempt) employees to accept and use a smartphone (or other devices) "off hours" without added compensation. It can also be required of non-exempt employees as well, but that time is compensable for non-exempt employees. However, employers who abuse the practice with frivolous calls/emails may come to regret that abuse, it needs to be a two-way street (like most anything in the employer-employee world) to be accepted.

One of many legal discussions anyone can find online...Google will yield as many as you'd like. http://cspalaw.com/pdf/Smartphones.pdf


More power to you that you were able to refuse, but "willpower" and "beliefs" often have nothing to do with it. And again, smartphones/mobile devices can be empowering to employees too...

__________________
No one agrees with other people's opinions; they merely agree with their own opinions -- expressed by somebody else. Sydney Tremayne
Retired Jun 2011 at age 57

Target AA: 60% equity funds / 35% bond funds / 5% cash
Target WR: Approx 2.5% Approx 20% SI (secure income, SS only)
Midpack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2015, 09:01 AM   #30
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Northern IL
Posts: 18,284
Quote:
Originally Posted by Al in Ohio View Post
I just refuse to do it. I saw it coming the moment texting and smartphone email became available. I held the line to not use either after hours or weekends since the start and refused to ever since. Its not that hard. ...
Depends on the employer and the job. I suspect there are many employees who, if they decided to stand their ground on the issue, would find themselves standing in the unemployment line. And the job offers might have the same requirement.


oppps, cross -posted with Midpack!

-ERD50
__________________
ERD50 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2015, 12:09 PM   #31
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,056
Here at w*rk, they've been trying to get me a company laptop for several years now, but so far I've been able to dodge it. Hopefully I can keep it that way!
__________________

__________________
Andre1969 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
2 things I don't miss in ER Tailgate Life after FIRE 96 09-11-2014 09:07 PM
What three thing I won't miss after I FIRE hakuna matata Life after FIRE 48 08-16-2008 02:26 PM
Marketeers don't miss a chance Walt34 Other topics 0 04-13-2008 08:05 PM
Why I Don't Miss W*rk REWahoo Other topics 1 07-24-2006 09:29 PM

 

 
All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:55 PM.
 
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.