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Old 08-09-2016, 01:21 PM   #41
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I think the tiny house shows are interesting. I wouldn't buy one, but I appreciate what the peeps on those shows are hoping to accomplish (less money on a mortgage, more for living/saving). I watch because there are lots of great ideas on how to make better use of space and multi-purpose spaces/furniture. Just one example, I can't see any reason to own a desk and a dining room table, as we don't use either often. A small dining room table and a file cabinet would serve both purposes for me, and we'll probably be completely "paperless" one of these days.

I'd like to downsize into something around 1300 sqft, and if we incorporate some of the tiny house efficiency ideas, I'd think a 1300 sqft house could "live well." Unfortunately DW is not amused, but I'll keep working on her. I do have her down to considering 1800 sqft, guess I need to get her to watch more tiny house shows.
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Old 08-09-2016, 02:01 PM   #42
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I like watching these shows - especially when I see a clever design. But I'm really surprised that more "standard" solutions aren't used frequently - like murphy beds, etc...

We built our version of a tiny house - a 700sf 1br house aka granny flat. It's currently bringing in rental income, but we tentatively plan to move into it when the kids are launched... It was designed to give us each our own space, has amenities like full size appliances, high ceilings, and a walk in closet.... plus a fabulous view from the covered front porch. We both agree - that's about as small as the 2 of us would like to go.
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I like watching these shows - especially when I see a clever design. But I'm really surprised that more "standard" solutions aren't used frequently - like murphy beds, etc...
I've wondered about that, too. a Murphy bed is perfect for a tiny house, yet everyone seems to prefer a loft with 3 feet of headroom.

Some space saving ideas like drawers/storage built into stairs and seating that doubles as storage have been around for decades, yet the people always seem surprised and go on about how clever and innovative those ideas are.
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Some of the homes I saw had bedrooms with doors.

Parents with kids were saying it would be nice to have a room with doors.

Yeah I couldn't see sleeping in a loft permanently. Some of the men couldn't even sit up on the bed fully without having to bend their head down.
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I'm surprised at you guys who are supposed to be LBYMers!!

Not sure which show it was but in the opening introduction of one show a young girl is saying (paraphrasing): "...We don't want to be bogged down with a big mortgage. We want to spend our money on travel and not having to kill ourselves at a job we hate..."

Or something like that.

Granted, it's not for me and I agree with getting an RV instead (again, not for me) but I do believe there's a shift going on with the young'uns of --maybe never being FIRE but also not really having/needing a 9 to 5 job for 30 years before hitting the 'live' button.

I think there's a whole group of folks who want to work when they feel like it and do whatever the rest of the time (see Uber). Getting saddled with a big house is a big obstacle to that.
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It cracks me up with the couple or single person climbs into the (empty) loft and exclaims - Ooooh I can sit up.... But they are sitting in the center (peak) and there is no mattress.... The mattress adds many inches and takes away that headroom.
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I think the tiny house shows are interesting. I wouldn't buy one, but I appreciate what the peeps on those shows are hoping to accomplish (less money on a mortgage, more for living/saving). I watch because there are lots of great ideas on how to make better use of space and multi-purpose spaces/furniture. Just one example, I can't see any reason to own a desk and a dining room table, as we don't use either often. A small dining room table and a file cabinet would serve both purposes for me, and we'll probably be completely "paperless" one of these days.

I'd like to downsize into something around 1300 sqft, and if we incorporate some of the tiny house efficiency ideas, I'd think a 1300 sqft house could "live well." Unfortunately DW is not amused, but I'll keep working on her. I do have her down to considering 1800 sqft, guess I need to get her to watch more tiny house shows.
<ha ha ha> I'm thinking we might move UP to a 1300 sq ft ranch for our next place.
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I wouldn't live in one permanently, but it would be great for a hunting retreat, or summer vacation house. I know in some areas, building code does not apply if it is built on a trailer with wheels, so you can D.I.Y. it yourself without the cost of inspections and hiring licensed professionals. This may also get you around some zoning issues since it is not a permanent structure.
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RV sales are scratching their heads. They paid what for what!

I saw one where they where showing a friend the loft bed (crawling around with inches above their backs) and there was some extra space at the foot of the bed and she said "hey here's some office space".

I have never had the urge to live in a walk in closet.
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I have never had the urge to live in a walk in closet.
When I see many of these I think they would make awesome college dorms.
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Would the ones on wheels have to have tanks for the sewage and water?

So you'd have to cart that around?
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I envision a 200 sq ft home in a lovely photo. Just outside the frame is a 1500 sq ft storage shed. :-)

Tiny houses come in two flavors: those on wheels which puts them in the same category at mobile homes from a property standpoint with well known laws that accompany them.
And permanently placed ones. The permanently placed ones have had issues with city building rules, but that is changing on some places. Here in Austin, there is a village being built to shelter homeless people. Our church help build one of the buildings.

I'm a little surprised that I haven't yet seen this same idea applied to a retirement community built of tiny houses of the permanent variety. Though I think such houses would need to ditch the loft - I know I won't be climbing ladders by that time. :-)

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This is interesting
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"The verdict? While I loved staying in a tiny house for a weekend getaway in the woods, I can safely say I won't be permanently moving into my own miniature abode any time soon"
I Tried Living in a Tiny House and It Wasn’t For Me - Tiny House Movement
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The concept is kinda cool but I wonder just how practical compared to say a manufactured home? Not a trailer but one of the ones built in a factory and then put up on the site?
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This is interesting
from the article:
"The verdict? While I loved staying in a tiny house for a weekend getaway in the woods, I can safely say I won't be permanently moving into my own miniature abode any time soon"
I Tried Living in a Tiny House and It Wasn’t For Me - Tiny House Movement
Her five reasons for disliking the tiny house:
1. Pets
She wants to keep her kitties out of her bedroom so she can sleep later. OK, well, not all of us even have pets and this is no issue for me.

2. Baking
She wants a full sized oven and full sized refrigerator. Others sometimes manage without needing either, especially if they eat out a lot or if they are just cooking for one. I must admit that after living with a tiny borrowed frig for over three months after Katrina, I was happy to the point of tears when my new full sized frig with nice big freezer-on-top was delivered. Thank you, Sears! And thank you for giving me the sale price just like people in other cities, even though half of New Orleans was ordering refrigerators at that time.

3. Toilet
That toilet was gross. OK, I wouldn't like that either.

4. Entertaining
Entertaining frequently at home is not a universal hobby. At least, it's not a big part of my life.

5. Boyfriend
She wants to live in the tiny home with someone else. As many of our forum members can attest, when living with somebody else often you need more than twice the square footage than when living alone. Then again, some of us prefer to live alone.

To me, the only problem that she mentioned was the toilet and maybe the tiny frig. I'd want:

I. All the utilities available for a SFH, like water, sewer, trash pickup, cable internet, and electricity.

II. Sturdy construction and a solid foundation

III. A nice smooth road leading to it and a garage in which to park one's vehicle.

IV. A full sized washer and dryer in a laundry room, room for a king sized bed, and a nice big shower.

I can already see the square footage skyrocketing!

I suppose that technically my present 1500 sf house has a little more square footage than I actually MUST have. I could probably survive with several hundred fewer square feet while still having all the amenities that I want.

However, it's also nice to have a little extra wiggle room included in the square footage devoted to storage, so that one doesn't have to spend every single weekend going through all of one's items and separating them into the usual "keep, toss, donate" piles and making Good Will runs. This could quickly become tedious and is something that never seems to be addressed in tiny house shows. Keeping one's possessions downsized apparently happens magically.
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Found this article on Tiny house communities and "pocket neighborhoods". I won't be getting a tiny house anytime soon, unless it comes with a not so tiny workshop.

13 Livable Tiny House Communities
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III. A nice smooth road leading to it and a garage in which to park one's vehicle.

IV. A full sized washer and dryer in a laundry room, room for a king sized bed, and a nice big shower.

I can already see the square footage skyrocketing!
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I was pondering once I had the garage, putting the storage and washer, dryer in there. Does that defeat the purpose of the tiny house, when the out buildings are larger than the house?
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We have a 27 ft RV (167 sq ft) that we take trips in. When we got it I thought we would travel for a year in it. Then a 2 week trip later not so much. I am neat and DH is not. So we start out neat and in about 3 days we are a disaster. WE have 4 dogs (3 tiny) and 1 80lbs. They like to lay right in the hallway and have us step over them. Last year we took a month trip and had to keep our sense of humor so no one got hurt) My friend's parents owned it before us and traveled for a year in it but both are extremely neat people. We like to entertain, have full size appliances, etc. When I was single I lived in a 2 bd 868 sq ft condo and fit perfectly. Then DH came and no room for anything but some of his clothes. We finally bought a 1400 sq ft house that is perfect for the 2 of us. We like our separate offices.
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I can't believe what some of these people have paid for a tiny house. I've seen anywhere from $40,000 to $60,000 for a less than 500 square foot house.
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Well in NYC, 500 sq. ft. would be $500k.
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