Treat Retirement Like a Career Change

paradiseken · 11-23-2006, 09:11 AM

Interesting article from WSJ. I know it's all been said before, but I like this author's perspective on retirement.

http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pb...1230464/-1/xml

paradiseken · 11-23-2006, 10:05 AM

Sorry folks. Looks like you need an account to view this article. Can't understand. I viewed it without an account early on. Again, sorry.

**Martha** · 11-23-2006, 10:07 AM

I'm not having any trouble viewing it.

I agree with the author that you need purpose in life.

Rich_in_Tampa · 11-23-2006, 10:22 AM

I have a retired friend who had a very complete and successful career. He is happy by every criterion I can see. As an exception to the good points made in the article above, he says that "purpose" is overrated, and that the key to a happy retirement for him is getting over the "myth" that you have to define yourself somehow in retirement using life-structures similar to what you have used all you life.

He feels happy because he doesn't have a purpose. He didn't have to jump from one treadmill (work) to another (proving to himself and others that his retirement is "active" or "fullfilling"). He's quite busy but only as the urge hits him. He's also very content just puttering, reading, exercising, whatever.

I have no idea where I'll fall on that scale, but he had a career similar to mine.

11-23-2006, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Rich_in_Tampa

I have a retired friend who had a very complete and successful career. He is happy by every criterion I can see. As an exception to the good points made in the article above, he says that "purpose" is overrated, and that the key to a happy retirement for him is getting over the "myth" that you have to define yourself somehow in retirement using life-structures similar to what you have used all you life.

He feels happy because he doesn't have a purpose. He didn't have to jump from one treadmill (work) to another (proving to himself and others that his retirement is "active" or "fullfilling"). He's quite busy but only as the urge hits him. He's also very content just puttering, reading, exercising, whatever.

I have no idea where I'll fall on that scale, but he had a career similar to mine.

I agree with your friend here. I also think people confuse 'a Purpose' with 'structure' - having to be at a certain place at a certain time. - I think you need a 'purpose' everyday but not necessarily any structure. I define purpose on a weekly basis and it changes like the wind.

I dislike structure as it limits creativity. - When you are retired you have to create your own purpose.

kcowan · 11-23-2006, 11:25 AM

I would add that those that get their self-esteem from the opinions of others will have more trouble FIREing than people who are self-actualized. In fact as I think about it, maybe that is the key ingredient in FIREing successfully?

LEX · 11-23-2006, 11:51 AM

I concur with the need to have some value to others no matter what stage life one is in. We obtain from life what we give in kind (ness).

paradiseken · 11-23-2006, 11:54 AM

I knew this article would evoke some great responses. I just got back from a bike ride along Sarasota Bay and realized that my purpose, if that's what it is, is to be grateful for everything I have and to show it by being kind to others. I can't begin to tell you how great it is to smile at a perfect stranger, say "Happy Thanksgiving" and have them smile back and say, "Same to you.....friend".

Say Rich_in_Tampa, I hope we meet someday. You have a lot of good things to say.

Leonidas · 11-23-2006, 11:55 AM

I'll chime in as being solidly in agreement here. I can see where some people need the structure and routine, but CT nailed it - purpose and structure are different. Some days my purpose is to just enjoy life as it comes, while other days I have something that I need to do that brings structure in the form of a deadline or schedule.

In the working world you need structure because people don't always share the same purpose at work. There, structure gives people a purpose, just not the one they would have necessarily chosen.

But when I'm on my time and pursuing the things I think are important, structure comes when and if it's needed. And since it's mostly all my time now, structure is whatever I think is needed today.

Even more irritating than the "what do you do all day" question, is the comment "You're too young to do nothing" that I hear just as often. I may borrow someone else's line and start telling them I'm the manager of a closely held investment firm.

**REWahoo** · 11-23-2006, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich_in_Tampa

I have a retired friend who had a very complete and successful career. He is happy by every criterion I can see. As an exception to the good points made in the article above, he says that "purpose" is overrated, and that the key to a happy retirement for him is getting over the "myth" that you have to define yourself somehow in retirement using life-structures similar to what you have used all you life.

He feels happy because he doesn't have a purpose. He didn't have to jump from one treadmill (work) to another (proving to himself and others that his retirement is "active" or "fullfilling"). He's quite busy but only as the urge hits him. He's also very content just puttering, reading, exercising, whatever.

Rich, I would appreciate it if in the future you would check with me first before using me as an example on the forum.

Nords · 11-23-2006, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich_in_Tampa

As an exception to the good points made in the article above, he says that "purpose" is overrated, and that the key to a happy retirement for him is getting over the "myth" that you have to define yourself somehow in retirement using life-structures similar to what you have used all you life.
He feels happy because he doesn't have a purpose. He didn't have to jump from one treadmill (work) to another (proving to himself and others that his retirement is "active" or "fullfilling"). He's quite busy but only as the urge hits him. He's also very content just puttering, reading, exercising, whatever.

My goodness, someone else who finally retired without their ego. Judging from the media (promulgated by working stiffs on deadline) that must be very unusual.

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Originally Posted by kcowan

I would add that those that get their self-esteem from the opinions of others will have more trouble FIREing than people who are self-actualized. In fact as I think about it, maybe that is the key ingredient in FIREing successfully?

The logo of Norwegian Cruise Lines' "Freestyle" cruises shows a white fish in the middle of a school of blue fish-- but it's swimming in the opposite direction.

It's an apt ER metaphor.

Rich_in_Tampa · 11-23-2006, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by REWahoo!

Rich, I would appreciate it if in the future you would check with me first before using me as an example on the forum.

Congratulations if you fit the bill. And from what I can glean, you probably do.

donheff · 11-24-2006, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Leonidas

I'll chime in as being solidly in agreement here. I can see where some people need the structure and routine, but CT nailed it - purpose and structure are different. Some days my purpose is to just enjoy life as it comes, while other days I have something that I need to do that brings structure in the form of a deadline or schedule.

In the working world you need structure because people don't always share the same purpose at work. There, structure gives people a purpose, just not the one they would have necessarily chosen.

But when I'm on my time and pursuing the things I think are important, structure comes when and if it's needed. And since it's mostly all my time now, structure is whatever I think is needed today.

Even more irritating than the "what do you do all day" question, is the comment "You're too young to do nothing" that I hear just as often. I may borrow someone else's line and start telling them I'm the manager of a closely held investment firm.

Me too

heyyou · 11-24-2006, 01:52 PM

Quick and dirty test of structure vs. purpose: are you still wearing a wrist watch?

**Khan** · 11-24-2006, 02:47 PM

Last May I had to dress up a bit for a funeral. I found my several watches - all the batteries were dead.

I replaced the batteries in one watch, and occasionally wear it when I run errands.

Eagle43 · 11-24-2006, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by heyyou

Quick and dirty test of structure vs. purpose: are you still wearing a wrist watch?

Yep, so I can tell what Day it is.

kcowan · 11-25-2006, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Eagle43

Yep, so I can tell what Day it is.

Only when I go out. For the day I check the calendar on the computer or the date of the last email...

Caroline · 11-28-2006, 10:45 AM

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Quick and dirty test of structure vs. purpose: are you still wearing a wrist watch?

Uh oh. I am still working but do NOT have a wristwatch. Someone's trying to tell me something, maybe...

martyb · 11-28-2006, 04:51 PM

I haven't worn a watch for a couple of years now, even though I'm not RE just yet. If I need to know what time it is, I look at my cell phone.

Nords · 11-28-2006, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by martyb

If I need to know what time it is, I look at my cell phone.

I see that as another test of structure vs purpose...

11-23-2006, 09:11 AM	#1
paradiseken Recycles dryer sheets Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 70	Treat Retirement Like a Career Change Interesting article from WSJ. I know it's all been said before, but I like this author's perspective on retirement. http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pb...1230464/-1/xml

11-23-2006, 10:05 AM	#2
paradiseken Recycles dryer sheets Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 70	Re: Treat Retirement Like a Career Change Sorry folks. Looks like you need an account to view this article. Can't understand. I viewed it without an account early on. Again, sorry.

11-23-2006, 10:07 AM	#3
Martha Administrator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: minnesota Posts: 10,065	Re: Treat Retirement Like a Career Change I'm not having any trouble viewing it. I agree with the author that you need purpose in life. __________________ . Do not rely on the information provided--my posts are not to be taken as legal advice. Needless to say you must consult with your legal representative. I am not responsible for errors. If I offended you with cya I apologize. If I did not, I tried.

11-23-2006, 10:22 AM	#4
Rich_in_Tampa Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Tampa Posts: 6,007	Re: Treat Retirement Like a Career Change I have a retired friend who had a very complete and successful career. He is happy by every criterion I can see. As an exception to the good points made in the article above, he says that "purpose" is overrated, and that the key to a happy retirement for him is getting over the "myth" that you have to define yourself somehow in retirement using life-structures similar to what you have used all you life. He feels happy because he doesn't have a purpose. He didn't have to jump from one treadmill (work) to another (proving to himself and others that his retirement is "active" or "fullfilling"). He's quite busy but only as the urge hits him. He's also very content just puttering, reading, exercising, whatever. I have no idea where I'll fall on that scale, but he had a career similar to mine. __________________ Rich Tampa, FL (10% retired) As if you didn't know..If the above message happens to contain medical content, it's NOT intended as advice, and may not be accurate, applicable or sufficient. Don't rely on it for any medical purpose whatsoever. Consult your own doctor for all medical advice.

11-23-2006, 11:25 AM	#6
kcowan Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Pacific latitude 20/49 Posts: 1,549	Re: Treat Retirement Like a Career Change I would add that those that get their self-esteem from the opinions of others will have more trouble FIREing than people who are self-actualized. In fact as I think about it, maybe that is the key ingredient in FIREing successfully? __________________ For the fun of it...Keith

11-23-2006, 11:51 AM	#7
LEX Recycles dryer sheets Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 325	Re: Treat Retirement Like a Career Change I concur with the need to have some value to others no matter what stage life one is in. We obtain from life what we give in kind (ness). __________________ "TEMPUS FUGIT"

11-23-2006, 11:54 AM	#8
paradiseken Recycles dryer sheets Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 70	Re: Treat Retirement Like a Career Change I knew this article would evoke some great responses. I just got back from a bike ride along Sarasota Bay and realized that my purpose, if that's what it is, is to be grateful for everything I have and to show it by being kind to others. I can't begin to tell you how great it is to smile at a perfect stranger, say "Happy Thanksgiving" and have them smile back and say, "Same to you.....friend". Say Rich_in_Tampa, I hope we meet someday. You have a lot of good things to say.

11-23-2006, 11:55 AM	#9
Leonidas Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,306	Re: Treat Retirement Like a Career Change I'll chime in as being solidly in agreement here. I can see where some people need the structure and routine, but CT nailed it - purpose and structure are different. Some days my purpose is to just enjoy life as it comes, while other days I have something that I need to do that brings structure in the form of a deadline or schedule. In the working world you need structure because people don't always share the same purpose at work. There, structure gives people a purpose, just not the one they would have necessarily chosen. But when I'm on my time and pursuing the things I think are important, structure comes when and if it's needed. And since it's mostly all my time now, structure is whatever I think is needed today. Even more irritating than the "what do you do all day" question, is the comment "You're too young to do nothing" that I hear just as often. I may borrow someone else's line and start telling them I'm the manager of a closely held investment firm. __________________ "If everything is under control, you are going too slow." - Mario Andretti

11-24-2006, 01:52 PM	#14
heyyou Recycles dryer sheets Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 241	Re: Treat Retirement Like a Career Change Quick and dirty test of structure vs. purpose: are you still wearing a wrist watch?

11-24-2006, 02:47 PM	#15
Khan Moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Greater Dayton area Posts: 3,411	Re: Treat Retirement Like a Career Change Last May I had to dress up a bit for a funeral. I found my several watches - all the batteries were dead. I replaced the batteries in one watch, and occasionally wear it when I run errands. __________________ "Candle wax and red wine can do interesting things to a keyboard."

11-28-2006, 04:51 PM	#19
martyb Full time employment: Posting here. Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Janesville, WI Posts: 509	Re: Treat Retirement Like a Career Change I haven't worn a watch for a couple of years now, even though I'm not RE just yet. If I need to know what time it is, I look at my cell phone.