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Old 05-06-2007, 07:30 PM   #21
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The avant garde (today's hippies) in Bellingham are now doing without toilet paper.

I hope this is not the wave of the future, too.
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The avant garde (today's hippies) in Bellingham are now doing without toilet paper.

I hope this is not the wave of the future, too.
I hope they are not drinking Boone's Farm.

heh heh heh - the Beach Boys broke up and the Rolling Stones are still going strong - I'm still pissed and can't handle Boone's Farm now either. :P :
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Unc, bein' as how you are an old Husky, do you remember Old Smiley applejack? :
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A lot of "hippie" ideas went mainstream because (gasp!) many of the Hippies aged and went mainstream.

As for drugs as cause of death: you forgot to mention alcohol, edged out only very slightly by tobacco as the #1 leading "preventable" cause of death. My father was a nice, conservative right wing smoker and drinker most of his life. He died of cancer at 67. His pararents both lived into their 90s, and his brother and sister are still alive and well on the way to 90 or better (AND they're probably more liberal !!!)

Oh, let's not forget gun deaths. On the "positive" (?) side, I recently learned that jsut over 1/2 of gun deaths are suicides. I have no problem with people offing themselves, just when some of them take innocents with them (e.g. VA Tech recently). Messy, but effective. Don't get me wrong, I don't oppose a person's right to use booze or even (presently) illegal drugs, or own weapons. Just that people should be aware of the costs to society.
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"Why do you say they are not?"

There is a difference between being inspired by something and getting off your butt and doing something. Washington, Jefferson, and Tom Paine were inspired by John Locke, but John Locke did not win the American Revolution.

As Abbie Hoffman said at Vanderbilt University in 1989, "...in the nineteen-sixties, apartheid was driven out of America. Legal segregation- Jim Crow- ended. We didn't end racism, but we ended legal segregation. We ended the idea that you can send a million soldiers ten thousand miles away to fight in a war that people do not support. We ended the idea that women are second-class citizens. Now, it doesn't matter who sits in the Oval Office. But the big battles that were won in that period of civil war and strife you cannot reverse. We were young, we were reckless, arrogant, silly, headstrong and we were right. I regret nothing."

We are in Iraq, but not with 500,000 men like Vietnam. Bush doesn't dare go to a draft. The country wouldn't stand for it and are already forcing an exit to Iraq. I credit most of that to our generation. We won.

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Eh, I think a primary driver to the 'eco friendly' movement has been price drops. In part by producing "eco friendly" products that arent as good as people think they are. "organic milk" from other countries where the word "organic" doesnt mean much, and its dried and reconstituted here in the US. Ick.

I just got some organic bug stuff to spread on the lawn. Made primarily from cedar. Didnt do squat.

I think everyone loves the hippy ethic, as long as they dont have to be inconvenienced or pay extra for the pleasure. And nobody steals their weed or turns them into the cops
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How many of those people in the pictures died of drug overdose. Ya hippies had it right all along...
Too mean-spirited, Mwsinron. Simply inappropriate for how this thread was evolving.
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Unc, bein' as how you are an old Husky, do you remember Old Smiley applejack? :
Nope - I do vaguely recall applejack tho. Also something called logi -beers on 45th street in my senior year caused memorible hangovers.

heh heh heh - the hippies/boomers were/are? the mainstream - a multitudeneous group as it were.
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Nope - I do vaguely recall applejack tho. Also something called logi -beers on 45th street in my senior year caused memorible hangovers.

heh heh heh - the hippies/boomers were/are? the mainstream - a multitudeneous group as it were.
Unclemick,
Let's not forget Cold Duck for those special ocasions. Then there was Mary Jane and a cold beer while hanging out with the guys with maybe some Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young playing in the background. We could hang out for hours (come to think about it we didn't watch TV or talk about it) If I did that today I would be asleep in 5 minutes.

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"Why do you say they are not?"

There is a difference between being inspired by something and getting off your butt and doing something. Washington, Jefferson, and Tom Paine were inspired by John Locke, but John Locke did not win the American Revolution.

As Abbie Hoffman said at Vanderbilt University in 1989, "...in the nineteen-sixties, apartheid was driven out of America. Legal segregation- Jim Crow- ended. We didn't end racism, but we ended legal segregation. We ended the idea that you can send a million soldiers ten thousand miles away to fight in a war that people do not support. We ended the idea that women are second-class citizens. Now, it doesn't matter who sits in the Oval Office. But the big battles that were won in that period of civil war and strife you cannot reverse. We were young, we were reckless, arrogant, silly, headstrong and we were right. I regret nothing."

We are in Iraq, but not with 500,000 men like Vietnam. Bush doesn't dare go to a draft. The country wouldn't stand for it and are already forcing an exit to Iraq. I credit most of that to our generation. We won.

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You know I never thought of it that way - the the tens of millions of people who practice Buddhism; Taoism; and Hinduism in their everyday lives in India, China, etc aren't really doing anything.

And thank God for a white male such as Abbie Hoffman that saved us downtrodden. As usuall others (M.L. King - civil rights; Gloria Steinem - women's rights) took or got the credit but we know the truth.
Thanks for the insight.
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Am I the only one who thought SoonToRetire's answer was hysterical on this board?
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How many of those people in the pictures died of drug overdose. Ya hippies had it right all along...
Only two, Jim Morrison and Janis Joplin. Jerry Garcia died of a heart attack due to sleep apnea and the rest are still alive.
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Only two, Jim Morrison and Janis Joplin.
And Janis' biggest problem was Southern Comfort, a decidedly pre-hippie drug of choice.
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I attended a major U.S. university from 1968 to 1972, the heart of the hippie movement. During that time, drug use was so common it was more the norm rather than the exception... Of ALL the people I knew in college, I knew maybe about three or four who DIDN'T do drugs. And yet in spite of this, (with only one exception) all of these people grew up to be normal, hard working, members of the community. One guy I know used to sell about 10 pounds of dope per week. Now he's so conservative that he wouldn't let his kids watch HBO until they turned 17! .... Another guy I didn't know but read about became President of the United States.

The one exception was a fellow who OD'ed in his late twenties.
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I attended a major U.S. university from 1968 to 1972, the heart of the hippie movement. During that time, drug use was so common it was more the norm rather than the exception... Of ALL the people I knew in college, I knew maybe about three or four who DIDN'T do drugs. And yet in spite of this, (with only one exception) all of these people grew up to be normal, hard working, members of the community. One guy I know used to sell about 10 pounds of dope per week. Now he's so conservative that he wouldn't let his kids watch HBO until they turned 17! .... Another guy I didn't know but read about became President of the United States.

The one exception was a fellow who OD'ed in his late twenties.
All very true the one difference is the potency and addictiveness of today's drugs.
http://www.drugwatch.org/DWNews_V3_N1_1999.htm
Strength In 1974, potency in marijuana averaged .85 percent THC (THC produces pot's "high"). In 1996, the average THC level reached 5.01 percent, with some samples exceeding 29 percent. Worldwide competition to grow super-pot has produced a popular strain called "sinsemilla," which averages 10.48% THC. Today's strong varieties commonly cause disorientation, memory loss, hallucinations, panic anxiety, and sometimes psychosis.

I don't think there was anything with the addictive power of crysal meth. in those days.
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All very true the one difference is the potency and addictiveness of today's drugs.
http://www.drugwatch.org/DWNews_V3_N1_1999.htm
Strength In 1974, potency in marijuana averaged .85 percent THC (THC produces pot's "high"). In 1996, the average THC level reached 5.01 percent, with some samples exceeding 29 percent. Worldwide competition to grow super-pot has produced a popular strain called "sinsemilla," which averages 10.48% THC. Today's strong varieties commonly cause disorientation, memory loss, hallucinations, panic anxiety, and sometimes psychosis.

I don't think there was anything with the addictive power of crysal meth. in those days.
Well, that would certainly explain some of the differences in the younger generation. By the way, now that I'm older and wiser I'm not saying drug use in the sixties was good... just agreeing that in the long run it wasn't so devastating. Could be wrong today though.
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could be that drug use helped to break a long time pattern of societal neurosis. though, like any drug, once the function is served, it's time to put it away.

while western consciousness seems to have expanded some on a rather large scale, i'm not so sure that there isn't still plenty of work to be done.

this is not yet a nation that treats all members with equality. this is still a nation that thirsts for blood. this is a nation that elected a president who aggressively acts with first strikes.

even with the generation of the 60s now in power, we have not attained the 60s concepts of peace & love. and that frustration might sadly, in part, explain some of the crystal meth.
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All very true the one difference is the potency and addictiveness of today's drugs.
http://www.drugwatch.org/DWNews_V3_N1_1999.htm
Strength In 1974, potency in marijuana averaged .85 percent THC (THC produces pot's "high"). In 1996, the average THC level reached 5.01 percent, with some samples exceeding 29 percent. Worldwide competition to grow super-pot has produced a popular strain called "sinsemilla," which averages 10.48% THC. Today's strong varieties commonly cause disorientation, memory loss, hallucinations, panic anxiety, and sometimes psychosis.

I don't think there was anything with the addictive power of crysal meth. in those days.
I blame capitalism.... All of those marketers trying to come up with a better product. It's always about bigger, better, faster, cheaper.

We are all just pawns in a big marketing machine. Even the hippies were affected.
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All very true the one difference is the potency and addictiveness of today's drugs.
http://www.drugwatch.org/DWNews_V3_N1_1999.htm
Strength In 1974, potency in marijuana averaged .85 percent THC (THC produces pot's "high"). In 1996, the average THC level reached 5.01 percent, with some samples exceeding 29 percent. Worldwide competition to grow super-pot has produced a popular strain called "sinsemilla," which averages 10.48% THC. Today's strong varieties commonly cause disorientation, memory loss, hallucinations, panic anxiety, and sometimes psychosis.

I don't think there was anything with the addictive power of crysal meth. in those days.
Sinsemilla is just an unfertilized female plant; i.e. sans seeds. It was available in the 70s. In fact, if you grow your own, just kill all the male plants, and you'll be left with "sinsemilla". Arguments about the relative potency of pot are nebulous, at best. Are you buying dirt weed, or primo? You could get either back then, and undoubtedly can now.

I remember crystal meth and crack (used to be "rock cocaine") from back then, too.

The stereotypical "hippie" was interested in "mind-expanding" substances, like pot, LSD, psilocybin mushrooms, peyote/mescaline, or MDA (now MMDA, or Ecstacy).
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Outside of meth the biggest difference between the drugs of today and those of the 60's/70's is that the drugs of choice these days are prescription drugs. In the 80's I did a lot of travel to Asia and had problems sleeping so I took sleeping pills, one of the pills I took was Rohypnol but I stopped because it left me feeling hungover. Rohypnol is now know as roofies and it's one of the most popular date rape drugs.

I have been smoking weed for about 30 years and I see no change in the potency over the years excluding the grading from street quality to primo.



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