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Old 05-08-2007, 03:19 PM   #61
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Hell, the thing I looked forward to most about retiring from trying cases was having the time and personal space (gotta have my space, man) to get back to feeling like I did when I was a hippie. I don't think more than 10% of my gen were actually hippies though the cultural spinoffs quickly became mainstream fashion. Long live old hippies!!
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Sometimes I wonder whether people protesting nuclear power plants were wrong. Nuclear power has its drawbacks, but it doesn't contribute to global warming.
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Just a small problem as to what to do with all that icky stuff left over...

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Hopefully the day will come when aneutronic nuclear fusion on earth is a reality. Its supposed to be extremely clean and efficient.
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Just a small problem as to what to do with all that icky stuff left over...
It is a problem, but at least it's containable, unlike spewing pollution into the atmosphere. I agree with Al that nuclear power needs to be revisited in this country. Alternative energies should be explored as well, much more than they are now, but I don't think they'll ever be able to take care of all of our energy needs. Nuclear fusion would be great once we figure it out, but our current fission technology can be a stopgap.
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Sometimes I wonder whether people protesting nuclear power plants were wrong. Nuclear power has its drawbacks, but it doesn't contribute to global warming.
No nukes wasn't a hippie thing, it was/is a green thing. I was always pro-nuke, still am. The waste is a real problem but so is reliance on fossil fuels. Waiting for fusion is like waiting for Godot.
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I can't help but laugh at the arrogance of the "hippie" generation I see here, conveniently ignoring the many problems the next generations have inherited from them.  Take a look a the children of today, the "norms" they embrace,
Yah.. it was better back when women, blacks, gays, etc. sat at the back of the bus. In the sixties interracial marriage was illegal, and if the country club found out you were a Jew, you'd get kicked out. Good times!

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the grasshopper attitude so many people have (rather than the ant, putting away for a rainy day) and the negative savings rate the nation has,
Brought on by capitalist lenders chasing double-digit short-term profits. In the horrible seventies (which IIRC came after the sixties), I remember teachers going through exercises with us about "rent-to-own" schemes and predatory lenders.

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the way many corporations now operate,
The way corporations operate is the fault of hippies 'n' liberals? I thought I'd heard EVERYthing!  

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the life is cheap attitude (abortion)
The current Supreme Court thinks a woman's life is pretty damn cheap.. no abortion for you even if your kid is ancephalic and you're at death's door. These things used to occur 'behind closed doors' by complicit doctors and nurses without the Federal government threatening to clap them in the pokey.

The Catholic Church for hundreds and hundreds of years taught that a fetus was not a person until quickening (also variously codified as 40 days for a male fetus and 90 days for a female one!) and so abortions and abortifacients were relatively common and accepted for early pregnancies. The distinction between the "animate" and the "inanimate" ("anima" = soul) was maintained up until 1917. The bulk of world history has actually given very little value even to newborns.. ill or deformed ones were often left to die, and it was common not to even give them names until a certain period had passed. I think the practices of many hospitals were probably not entirely different in the last century and mothers of kids with serious defects were probably told they were "stillborn" on occasion.

To read about the "good old days" in 1960s FL obstetrics go here (not for the squeamish):
http://www.collegeofmidwives.org/Fai...Ch_2_Nov05.htm

OTOH, in the past it also seemed to be easier to give up a kid for adoption.. leaving a baby anonymously at a church. You can't do that today for some reason. Many common last names in Italy are those historically linked to those routinely given abandoned babies (Esposito=exposed; Innocenti=innocents, foundlings; De Angelis = from the angels).

The pendulum seems to have swung to the "every sperm is sacred" extreme. There are millions of kids and pregnant moms with no health insurance due to the "life begins at conception and ends at birth" policies of the right. Blastocysts are getting looked after better than some kids are. (The Snowflake babies! Jon Stewart: "so named because no two are alike, and they're all white."  )

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common politeness not so common, chivalry considered sexist and the castration of many things considered masculine.  
Castrating "things feminine" would make no sense. Hey.. we got a big ol' honkin' war on.. can't get much more macho than that! "Bomb, bomb, bomb.. Bomb bomb Iran.."

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The disregard for individual freedoms in the name of political correctness, thought crimes (rating a crime's punishment based on "hate" as if white on white or black on black crime is any less hateful than a white/black crime)
Guess the McCarthy hearings had nothing to do with thought crimes...
Guess the FBI currently has nothing better to do than spy on anti-war demonstrators (some things never change).

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and the left's attitude of win power no matter what the cost in Iraq (remember the recent comments about "this will win us seats"?).
Power at all costs? Two words for ya: Karl Rove.

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The "let government take care of us so long as someone else pays for it" attitude of so many entitlement programs (Bush is no better in this regard with the prescription drug program).  
What you call "entitlement programs" are just social insurance that we pay for to receive benefits.. There's no mystery to it. Unless you think FDR was a hippie and had a doobie in that "cigarette" holder of his.

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Gun control without regard to statistics which show how many crimes are prevented due to guns and the fact that criminals will have guns with or without gun control.  
Today the NRA is so powerful, it can tell the FBI to go take a flying leap if they want to look in the nationally-maintained and mandated gun sales database & track criminals & (gasp) terrorists. Read your e-mail & tap your phone w/o a warrant => OK. Find out if someone unhinged has a small arsenal => noooo! that's going too far!  Witness the calls for LESS gun control and arming students in the wake of VA Tech.. I don't see that the gun control folks have anywhere near as much voice as the gun nuts.

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The "if it feels good do it" attitude without regard to your fellow man.
Better "if it feels good it must be bad, so don't do it"? Or better still, the "do as I say, not as I do" crowd, like the current crop of Republican presidential candidates who have two or three wives apiece on average? Like the "I'm not gay even though I sleep with gay hookers" family values types?

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The thought that a Prius is environmentally and/or economically a good choice when the non-hybrid version of this car actually costs less over the long haul and has less environmental impact.  
I think that has been debunked. In a related note, though, the hippie, socialist Europeans manage to get regular diesel cars out of Ford that get 55 mpg.

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The price over quality attitude.  
?? Isn't that the "free market"?

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Spitting on soldiers.  
This has been pretty much debunked as well.

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Civil rights "leaders" turning into opportunistic race-pimps.  
You got somewhat of a point. Not too different, however, from the religious right "leaders" who are opportunistic pimps (or in some cases, clients).

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The drug culture.  
This kinda makes me laugh.. Sherlock Holmes was a coke head (and Doyle did his own "autoexperimentation"). Many of the great English poets were opium fiends. The proper Victorians dosed themselves regularly with laudanum (i.e., morphine), esp. the ladies.. probably as a reaction to the crappy lives they were forced to lead. Coca-Cola had substantial levels of cocaine in it up 'til 1904.. now they use "spent" coca leaves according to wikipedia, and there's supposedly a plant licensed by the gov't. in NJ that grows and/or handles these. From the same source, Coca-Cola's inventor, John Pemberton, advertised the drink as a cure for morphine addiction (he himself was a junkie). Moonshine runners gave birth to NASCAR.

It's true that many street drugs today are more toxic.. but again, that's the product of the market and the "war on drugs" at work. With laws established using weight.. well that serves to drive the concentration of the intoxicating substance up. It's also then easier to conceal and transport. If someone told you that having more than a gallon of alcoholic beverages in your home was illegal.. what would you go for? Rolling Rock or Bacardi 150? Can't grow marijuana or poppies without someone turning you in? The E-Z-Bake meth lab is for you!

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Progressive "Western" society moves forwards in fits and starts.. the pendulum swings back and forth. I'm not entirely comfortable with everything that's PC today but I acknowledge it's just a reaction to horrible cruelties and prejudices that to a large extent still exist. Will we ERADICATE racism (or sexism, tribalism, whatever-ism), adultery, teen sex, self-medication.. no.. that's just not possible either with draconian methods or without. The change in attitude has to come from within. An authoritarian with a big stick can't make a society 100% free of the bad aspects of human nature. People have been trying for thousands of years; witness the Inquisition, the Puritans, the Taliban. What America has gotten right to a little bit better extent than other places is exactly the freedom and tolerance that other places may not enjoy. So I'll trade a few F-words for that.. thank you very much! [p.s. the Italians use very bad words on the Tv all the time, but the society is nowhere near as nasty and violent as in the US.. also very little violent crime due in part to the relative lack of guns].

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Edit to add P.S. as follows. I don't want to bash missionfinder. His/her (oops PC-ness snuck in) post reflects a lot of pretty commonly-held prejudices and FEARS. I deal with this all the time with right-wing sis. Whoever can be manipulated into thinking they have something to lose is going to be reactionary.. doesn't matter whether we are talking about the 1950s, the '60s, the '70s or now. The funny part is when the people whose insecurities are being played don't even have anything at stake.. sis went on no end to defend the Walmart heirs having no inheritance tax.  Some RELATIONS of a dead guy will profit to the tune of $30-something billion more than before.. for something they had nothing to do with.. while the middle-class will pay for the military that protects Wal*Mart. Beautiful! The right has managed to get people on board even against their own interests; I find that fascinating.

Anyway I kind of lost where I was going with this, which was.. people who feel INsecure will always have fears that something is somehow being 'taken away from them', even when objectively that's not entirely true. People who feel more secure in themselves don't need to find enemies under every rock, whether said enemies are in Iraq, on the local school board, the people selling hybrid cars, or in the gay couple lliving next door. The right plays on people's fears to elicit just that negative and corrosive response, which suits their authoritarian purposes.

Edit 2: (which should go without saying but obviously needs to be re-stated here).. As far as the "life is cheap" aspect goes.. maybe you also wanna ask some families of Iraq vets who have to buy their own armor.. and let's not forget to ask the hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis.. [We are very efficient, though.. it took Saddam 30 years to kill as many people as we did in one-tenth the time. And we're just getting started!] .. ask the people facing grave illnesses w/o insurance whether life is cheap or very, very expensive. American society will pay for weapons and mercenaries but not for free pre-natal care or giving even just all kids health insurance.. for fear of somebody's "getting something for nothing". Ask the Katrina and tornado victims. When it comes to annoying poor people's lives, the right is very stingy indeed.. when it comes to pre-meditated death on a massive scale, they pull out our checkbook.

Coming from a Catholic background, I never did get the "pro-life"+pro-gun+pro-war+pro-death-penalty thing either.. someone wanna give that a go? I mean, I'm open to arguments as long as they are consistent... just haven't heard any yet.
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A List Of Fallacious Arguments

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Yah.. it was better back when women, blacks, gays, etc. sat at the back of the bus. In the sixties interracial marriage was illegal, and if the country club found out you were a Jew, you'd get kicked out. Good times!
You're speaking to someone who's grandmother was in an interracial marriage. I do not support any of that crap nor did I imply that I support racist and anti-S emetic practices. Those race card remarks are inflammatory as hell and completely uncalled for.

I made a big mistake and I apologize for it. I should have known my place, not disagreed with anybody, shut up, and accepted that only the only allowed voice here is from the left, and I'll be labeled and analyzed as an "insecure", "kool-aid drinking", "right winger", right wing bingo playing, Rush Limbaugh listener when I don't agree with it. It won't happen again.


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Hey, I value your opinion, even if I don't necessarily agree with it. To ascribe all good or bad to the hippies, or to the boomers, seems misguided to me. Plenty of credit and guilt to go around.

As for the "left v. right" argument, I believe too many see the world in black and white, when mostly it's shades of grey...
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Sometimes I wonder whether people protesting nuclear power plants were wrong. Nuclear power has its drawbacks, but it doesn't contribute to global warming.
Depends on what the realistic alternative is. Coal? Then I will (very reluctantly) conclude that nukes are preferable. Natural Gas, Solar, wind, hydro, tides, etc.? Then no nukes for me.

The dsicussion also begs the question about conservation/efficiency efforts. Wouldn't need to keep searching for so much energy if we used less of it.
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Sorry missionfinder!!

It's just that when you said "look at the 'norms' they embrace".. it set me off thinking back to what the 'norms' used to be. I did not mean to impute them to you personally; but just offered an example of what I remembered as generalized 'norms' where you didn't for your latter-day assertion.

In the spirit of the OP, we should be able to look back objectively and see whether the new 'norms' are truly worse or better than the old 'norms' and try not to just respond by instinct about "the good old days". I mean, look at the list.. kinda emphasizing consumer/marketing-driven stuff (a real hippie would take a pass on Costco boxed cereal and get some bulk oatmeal or millet at the local co-op, more likely), but was it really better back when rivers would spontaneously catch fire every so often? (Perhaps you don't remember this; I don't know how old you are.. rivers NOT catching fire could be something you take for granted, I dunno..)

You have to admit a lot of things are WAY better now than when your grandmother bravely decided to get hitched. A lot of that social improvement, as well as environmental, has to do with ideas, as the OP pointed out, that were recently seen as too "radical" for a decorous and orderly society to contemplate but which are now commonplace.

I really do sincerely apologize (in kind of a generic, PC, way since I'm not exactly sure what I'm apologizing for..) I made you feel bad and that was not my intent.. let's put it that way.

I like this board a lot and if you stick around you will find a good number of impassioned right-wing --or conservative, or traditionalist, or whatever-you-want-to-call-them-- folks here as well, some of whom I respect (that may come as a surprise to you). Most everyone gets along relatively well since usually they understand attacking someone's arguments is not the same as attacking someone personally. I don't know you or anything about your Bingo habits ! I don't know if you are fearful or not.. only that your statements seem to reflect fear (castration!?) in addition to anger. I DO know that you did post a whole litany of complaints.. everything but the kitchen sink.. There are liberals here, but they rarely start off by giving everyone the "Full Monty", as it were; I responded rant for rant and that was perhaps indulgent. Maybe if you wanted to expand thoughtfully on one or two of the items on your laundry list it would not come off as being so dogmatic overall (could certainly apply to my response, too.. mea culpa mea culpa).

The ER forum is my fave exactly because it is so often challenging and unpredictable. People here are smart, largely self-made, hard workers, small-c conservative. They must needs be capitalist since the board is all about accumulating and retaining capital-- no one seems to have donated it all to the Party in order to further the Revolution by living on ramen noodles.

The fact that many on the board are tempered with a sense of "enough is enough" and have some feelings left over for the little guy or for the environment doesn't make them wild-eyed commies: "the 'hippie generation' (you) see here" at whose arrogance you laugh, let's not forget.

I think whether leftish or rightish they tend not to like dogma from either side, and that's pretty key. You have to admit that in making a blanket statement like "the left wants to win power no matter the cost in Iraq" you've crafted a shoe that perhaps fits the other side a tad better.

I apologize to anyone who was intellectually offended by my responses where in kind, as I think we can all benefit from a greater subtley of exploration and inquiry.
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This is the river that I believe most folks are talking about regarding fires. When I was steam boating in the early 70's we would go up the creek with iron ore for the steel plant. Very dirty. Also, don't ask what Cleveland whitefish are, please:


The Cuyahoga River played an important role in the birth of the environmental movement. In 1936, a spark from a blow torch ignited floating debris and oils and set the river on fire. The river was plagued by fires until 1969, when a fire caught the attention of the nation and helped spur a great deal of environmental legislation, including the Clean Water Act, the Great Lakes Water Quality Agreement and the creation of national and state Environmental Protection Agencies. As a result, large point sources of pollution on the Cuyahoga have received significant attention from the Ohio Environmental Protection Agency in recent decades. Water quality has improved and, in recognition of this improvement, the Cuyahoga River was designated as one of 14 American Heritage Rivers in 1998.



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Peace, brothers and sisters.

I sort of see the hippies in a different light. I think, when they started in the late 60s, much of what they believed in was a sort of different “here & now,” a sort of rebellion from their parent’s world of martinis after work and the indulgences of filling a post-WWII house and garage with all sorts of new goodies for a new middle class life. The hippies, (enlightened?) youth, the new generation born of TV—and a resultant rejection of materialism as they saw it in its worst ways-- were specific experiences of those young folks. Hippies were a small subset of the whole youth culture. (Ands as parents and grandparents now, and having lived thru a couple of generations of this rejection cycle--of youth rejecting the adult world—we now see our original behaviors differently. Time and experience has changed us.) Our parents had short hair; we grew ours long. Our parents drank; we did doobies. Our mothers wore skirts and fancy tailored pants; we wore faded blue jeans with special patches and frayed bottoms. In a very real sense, we became what we were as a direct experience of our parents (and rejection of various parts of them). It wasn’t something new so much as a direct rejection of our parent’s and society’s materialism--and an ability to confound and irritate them. It was the opposite of them.

And we were charmed by a new “here & now” that was different from our parents “there & then.” A new here & now of living in the moment—just enjoying being stoned or enjoying the rush of moment by moment living that was different than all the planning and preparation evoked by our parents and the older generation, no worries about going to work the next morning or planning a summer vacation. We were the vacation!

For some, this self-indulgence turned into the worst of all worlds, a death spiral with drugs and vomit.

But some hippies never became engulfed in the worst parts of hippiedum: they took the ideals of a ‘warmer and softer’ idealism, took their beliefs that the ends and the means in life are tightly related and applied them to their own expanding here & now. Some became more Christian than some Christians. They brought or attempted to bring a bit more peace and love to the daily here & now world. And they attempted to restructure some of that there & then world with more of that joyfulness and goodness. For them money, lower taxes, power, and business are not everything. They saw a larger more important world underneath those surface aspects of life. They saw a better here & now in their idealism and attempted to structure that in the theres & thens around them.

Some of this hippie--ness has matured into a sort of political liberalism of desiring to help others get more of the really good stuff underneath materialism. The sublimation of joy and goodness into other parts of the world, into our children and friends and into other less fortunate parts of the world. A good goal.

Ohhhh . . . wow. What a head trip, man!
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Good posts LaDelfina!

Missionfinder - grow some calluses. If you pay close attention you will see that a fair number of us are somewhat to the left and a fair number somewhat to the right and most vacillate depending on the topic. I, for one lefty, like getting the "right" point of view since it isn't part of my daily experience (except when I switch over to 'Oh Really' during Countdown station breaks).
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Depends on what the realistic alternative is. Coal? Then I will (very reluctantly) conclude that nukes are preferable. Natural Gas, Solar, wind, hydro, tides, etc.? Then no nukes for me.
Natural gas is scarce, and getting more so - not really a long-term solution. Solar can not be made to commercial scale. "Huge" solar plants run 50MW compared with 1,000 MW coal & nuclear plants. Wind is a viable option that is being aggressively exploited, but wind resources are limited and not terribly reliable. There are really no more hydro resources available in the U.S. and environmentalists want many of the existing dams torn down. Tidal generators are new and as yet unproven.

Nuclear & coal has to be part of the solution if we actually want power (maybe to plug in those electric cars).
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In 1968 I was TDY to San Francisco. I stayed with my college buddy about a half block off Haight Street. My friend was mostly tripping on acid all the while I was there. His apartment was full of stoned and naked girls, and I am wearing my uniform! What a totally weird experience it was. But it sure made me appreciate hippies, and I vowed to get me some whenever I might have the time.

The other thing I remember, not directly related to hippies is my first Korean meal. It was so damn hot that I thought I might die on the spot.

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The other thing I remember, not directly related to hippies is my first Korean meal. It was so damn hot that I thought I might die on the spot.
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Re: Were The Hippies Right?

Swell. Now I gotta go find a korean restaurant for lunch today!
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Be fearful when others are greedy, and greedy when others are fearful. Just another form of "buy low, sell high" for those who have trouble with things. This rule is not universal. Do not buy a 1973 Pinto because everyone else is afraid of it.
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