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Old 05-10-2005, 11:08 AM   #41
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Its an odd life when you can yell "Hon, we've got captain archer and he's about to become the prince of wails, I think we need to make him into burrito boy" and your wife, who is in the other room, knows exactly what you're talking about.

Yep, this will be the first totally star trek free season since we were young people. The guys running the program for some time now have said that they refuse to cater to the fan base and want the show to be more mainstream. Only problem is the 'fan base' IS the ONLY audience for such a show.

I can see why it ended up getting bagged though. Too many "time travel" episodes, way too much serialization (you couldnt watch one episode and have any idea what was going on), the obligatory 'nazi' episode, rehashing just about every old star trek plotline ever done before, "encountering" alien species by the buttload that werent known until hundreds of years later (lets see...borg, romulans, tholians, gorn...the list goes on), and very little to what I thought would be the best part of the show: coming up with all the technologies and developing all the relationships with other species.

But that cant be it. "The franchise is tired". "TV watchers arent interested in science fiction". Yeah...thats why theres an entire channel devoted to it that does very well :

I wish it had continued to suck this year; I wouldnt have missed it. But its quickly become one of the few shows I look forward to seeing. Bastards!

What does this have to do with saving? Uhh...I was considering saving up some money to 'save the show' until the producers said they didnt care who came up with however much money, it was their show, they were killing it, and that was that. (aka: we're not going to turn it over to someone else with actual creativity and interest in the show that will quickly make us look like morons).
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Re: "What are you saving for?" redux
Old 05-10-2005, 09:19 PM   #42
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I can see why it ended up getting bagged though.* Too many "time travel" episodes, way too much serialization (you couldnt watch one episode and have any idea what was going on), the obligatory 'nazi' episode, rehashing just about every old star trek plotline ever done before
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* *It was almost a game: Try to figure out which ST show they were stealing from that particular week.* It is unfortunate that Enterprise* didn't begin to turn around until it was too late.
* * * Sigh. At least there's still Stargate, though I'm not sure how SG1 will fare after the changes. And "Battlestar Galactica" is definitely a bright spot.*
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I wish it had continued to suck this year; I wouldnt have missed it.* But its quickly become one of the few shows I look forward to seeing.* Bastards!
Yeah, that burns me up too.* I missed most of seasons 2 and 3 because of no access to a TV and didn't give a damn because it seemed like almost every episode I accidently caught was horrible.* Got caught up in it again halfway through this season though and have been super impressed.*

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What does this have to do with saving?* Uhh...I was considering saving up some money to 'save the show' until the producers said they didnt care who came up with however much money, it was their show, they were killing it, and that was that.* (aka: we're not going to turn it over to someone else with actual creativity and interest in the show that will quickly make us look like morons).
I wish they would give it a chance through syndication - it worked for Next Gen and DS9.* Considering some of the other crap sci-fi that's out there (my Dad actually watches Andromeda ) it seems like it would be worth a shot.* Oh well.
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Yeah, I've been watching stargate atlantis and the new battlestar galactica. Both are excellent shows in my opinion. I've even been re-watching the stargate atlantis shows until the second half of the season starts in august.

Andromeda is one of the worst shows I've ever seen. It was fine the first season, then Kevin Sorbo took over production and it turned into "Hercules in Space". This past season was weird. They pretty much ended the show last year with all the characters being killed, and the ship being destroyed. Then they decided to do it for one more year. Everybody wasnt dead/blown up, they had just been thrown into some alternative universe. Shades of Bobby Ewing, only dumber. That it took them 6 episodes to explain what had happened didnt help. 99% of the action was badly scripted and in a 'wild west' sort of town on a planet in the alternative universe. In other words: cheap.

Stargate Atlantis is a nice spin on the old "stargate' franchise. A cast of characters thats almost identical in character type to the original. Instead of bouncing around the galaxy, this bunch takes a one way trip through a long range stargate to the pegasus galaxy, where they land in the abandoned super high tech city of atlantis. They have to figure out how everything works while being attacked by a vampiristic enemy and looking for help from lots of potential allies/enemies. I like it a lot more than the original SG-1, which just got too campy.

Battlestar Galactica is a remake of the old series from the 70's. Much more character intensive though, and the cylons arent all big metal can types, some of them are flesh and blood and look like regular people. In other words, anyone could be a cylon, programmed to "go off" and kill someone or blow something up. Lots of tension once everyone figures this out and starts suspecting each other. Even the cloned cylons dont know they're robots, have emotions, etc. Some people suspect they might be a clone when they arent, some think they are and they really are. A lot more character interaction and some actually decent acting and a little less physics-defying bad special effects shoot-em-ups.

Not only have Beavis and Butthead scuttled enterprise, Scott Bakula recently revealed that they also threw out plans for an "Enterprise" movie. B&B claim they never had any such plans and do not intend to make any star trek based materials for many years.

I guess the only other good news is the new "Firefly" movie is supposed to be great. Maybe that'll sponsor a restart of that very good series that was screwed up by bad decisions...nothing like running a serialized show all out of sequence to make an audience stop watching because they have no freakin idea whats going on.

I saved absolutely no words in this post. I'm saving up all my hope for more good sci-fi on television!

Whoops...gotta go...I've got captain archer here...
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Andromeda is one of the worst shows I've ever seen. It was fine the first season, then Kevin Sorbo took over production and it turned into "Hercules in Space". This past season was weird. They pretty much ended the show last year with all the characters being killed, and the ship being destroyed. Then they decided to do it for one more year. Everybody wasnt dead/blown up, they had just been thrown into some alternative universe.
Oh, gack! Glad I missed all that. I've slowly warmed up to Atlantis ... though I spend part of each ep fervently hoping that Rodney is fed to the wraiths!
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Well, Andromeda did have some minor saving grace by rolling out a former penthouse pet in a skimpy outfit to prance around as a new cast member.

I dont think that would have done much for you though...

Rodney has enough small unpleasant things happen to him on a regular enough basis to make me happy...
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Well, Andromeda did have some minor saving grace by rolling out a former penthouse pet in a skimpy outfit to prance around as a new cast member.

I dont think that would have done much for you though...

Nope, not at all!* Now the fellow who plays Apollo on "Battlestar Galactica" -- he's definitely worth looking at
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Thats what I thought, dang it!

I just watched the 'atlantis' episode (tivo'd from several weeks ago) where rodney finds the 'personal shield' and is a little put off that EVERYONE wants to help him 'test it out' by shooting him with some random weapon or by pushing him off a 3rd story landing to the floor below. Its even more amusing when he discoveres that he cant turn it off and that it stops him from eating or drinking. His constant "....But I'll be dead of starvation or dehydration in 3 days so who cares" comments at the end of everything he says for the rest of the show is worth its weight in gold.
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And to cap off this hijack.

I watched the series finale for Enterprise last night.

I have no idea why Braga and Berman, or anyone else, wanted to make this story into a show, and close examination of the show itself is no help. "Where No Man Has Gone Before" is one of the most unpleasant, contrived, artificial, and completely unfulfilling series finales I've ever seen. To call it manipulative would be inaccurate; it has an ambition to manipulate, but fails.

I hated this episode. Hated hated hated hated hated this episode. Hated it. Hated every simpering stupid vacant audience-insulting moment of it. Hated the sensibility that thought anyone would like it. Hated the implied insult to the audience by its belief that anyone would be entertained by it.

It was easily the very worst episode of any science fiction show I have ever seen, including "Andromeda".

With so many opportunities to close out many promising developments and directions, the show was 100% negative, crapped on everything possible, and then was abruptly ended before the concluding speech.

It was a magnificently and universally horrible ending. Made more so by the fact that I was about 1/4 in the bag when I watched it. Anything that isnt at least modestly entertaining when one has consumed 3 beers really and truly stinks.

I hope to god these two decide not to make any more series or movies of any kind or fashion, and would prefer that the "star trek" franchise remain dead forever rather than be subject to any more of their "efforts".

I hope my ambivalence above does not lead anyone to believe that I may have liked this episode in any small way
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And to cap off this hijack.

I watched the series finale for Enterprise last night.

I have no idea why Braga and Berman, or anyone else, wanted to make this story into a show, and close examination of the show itself is no help. "Where No Man Has Gone Before" is one of the most unpleasant, contrived, artificial, and completely unfulfilling series finales I've ever seen. To call it manipulative would be inaccurate; it has an ambition to manipulate, but fails.

I hated this episode. Hated hated hated hated hated this episode. Hated it. Hated every simpering stupid vacant audience-insulting moment of it. Hated the sensibility that thought anyone would like it. Hated the implied insult to the audience by its belief that anyone would be entertained by it.

It was easily the very worst episode of any science fiction show I have ever seen, including "Andromeda".

With so many opportunities to close out many promising developments and directions, the show was 100% negative, crapped on everything possible, and then was abruptly ended before the concluding speech.

It was a magnificently and universally horrible ending. Made more so by the fact that I was about 1/4 in the bag when I watched it. Anything that isnt at least modestly entertaining when one has consumed 3 beers really and truly stinks.

I hope to god these two decide not to make any more series or movies of any kind or fashion, and would prefer that the "star trek" franchise remain dead forever rather than be subject to any more of their "efforts".

I hope my ambivalence above does not lead anyone to believe that I may have liked this episode in any small way
So....it was bad? Big Sci-Fi fan, eagerly anticipated this series, couldn't watch it past the episode where it went "back to the future war" on me and they went all timeline warrior etc. WHATEVER! Babylon 5 was the greatest series ever, but had it's last two seasons squeezed into one and kinda went downhill because of it. When you have a master race Vorlon asking, "will you come with us, we're scared!" at the end, it kind of deflated things.
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It sucked. My wife is a moderate sci-fi watcher and she caught it last night. Her comment: "I can see why you hated it. That stunk".

I never watched babylon 5, just a little of the first episode when it first came out. I was pleased that someone had come up with the creative idea that instead of almost all aliens being humanoid bipeds with funny heads that they should have funny hair instead.
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I watched the Star Trek finale this weekend too. It had to be the worst episode ever. I am ticked major big time.
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Only one thing to tell these desecrators of the spirit of Star Trek:

"Hab SoSlI' Quch!"

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How about "Braga and Berman, Blow Me!"
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I just got back from the Klingon homeworld so I am fairly up to date on the (k)lingo .

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A lot of Voyager fans would drink to that .....

Geez, DH and I were out of town this weekend, so we haven't seen the tape yet ... maybe I should just chuck it*
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