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Old 07-07-2010, 07:39 PM   #4801
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It seems like those roofs should last forever in Az. Just what causes them to fail?
Yes, that's what I thought when I bought the house.

My house was built in 1986, about the same time as many houses here in this neighborhood. In walking through the area, we have seen so many houses with roof leaks being worked on.

My tiles are not clay but made of concrete, with a glazing on top to give it the red color. Too lazy to go out to take pictures, I found on the Web a house with exactly the same tiles I have. These tiles are tough enough that one can walk on them without breaking. Of course if a guy weights 300lbs, that's another matter, but I have not seen such a heavy roofer, have you?



These tiles of course should last forever. I believe it is poor workmanship that allows water to get underneath the tiles, eventually ruining the felt layer and entering the house. In the picture above, you can see that water hitting the walls of the upper story will run down the walls and get underneath the tiles if the flashing is poorly installed. In my case, another bad spot was around the skylight, where flashing is used to divert water around the dome. Any time there is such a break in the roof surface, it is a potential spot for water to get underneath the tiles. I also have a leak in a shallow valley, where valley flashing is the intended channel for the water to flow down on. Some leaves have accumulated there over the years, unknown to me, and caused a dam backing up the water, and made it spilled over to the surrounding felt.

With the "wavy" tiles like mine, strong winds can drive rain water under the top rows of the tiles, meaning the rows immediately below the roof crest.

There is also the kind of flat tiles, like the picture below. These lay flat against the roof, leave minimal gaps, and are easier to seal with flashing. However, these do not have a hollow airspace underneath and conduct more heat into the roof, I was told.





In my case, the concrete tiles are lifted up, the underneath felt layer is replaced and the tiles reinstalled. Most of the cost is for labor, and the material cost is not bad.

The real clay tiles that are installed with mortar are another story. See picture below. These would have to be broken up, and the entire roof reinstalled with new tiles. I have seen houses in my neighborhood like that. Ouch!

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Old 07-07-2010, 07:42 PM   #4802
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I have had a PM asking me about insurance coverage. In my case, the roof repair is deemed "wear and tear", and I have to pay for its cost. I think that is fair. The water damage to the drywall inside is covered 100% by the insurance.

Thanks to the low rainfall here in AZ, there was no structural damage to the framing. There was also no problem with mold. Thanks goodness for "dry heat"!
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I have had a PM asking me about insurance coverage. In my case, the roof repair is deemed "wear and tear", and I have to pay for its cost. I think that is fair. The water damage to the drywall inside is covered 100% by the insurance.

Thanks to the low rainfall here in AZ, there was no structural damage to the framing. There was also no problem with mold. Thanks goodness for "dry heat"!

That is the thing with houses it's always something . My So has torn out all the old floor molding to replace it and we found some water damage near one of the windows so that has to be repaired .
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I've shaved with a Norelco electric shaver for years, but have been too cheap to replace the heads as the cost is nearly the same as a new razor. I found this video and tried it and it worked great - at least so far. I think one should mark the cutters and screens to keep them matched however. OK, so I never said I wasn't cheap.

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Old 07-07-2010, 08:35 PM   #4805
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That is the thing with houses it's always something...
One can say the same thing about RVs too! Why don't we just go find a cave to use for low-maintenance dwelling?

Just kidding... I often thought about moving into a condo or an apartment in my golden years for a worry-free lifestyle, but reading about problems that people reported here has changed my mind. If it's not one thing, it's another...

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OK, so I never said I wasn't cheap.
That's not cheap. It's, it's ingenious!
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NW - Thanks for the roof explanation. I thought it was odd that one of the bldgs in my Az condo development was getting a new roof last year - it was built around 1999. I thought it had to be a workmanship issue.
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Family in town and went to the Hollywood Casino in Charles Town for the first time and played the penny slots. All electronic so no actual pennies involved. Lost about $10 but had some fun. Did some people watching, looked like more than a few people were there hoping to finance an early retirement. Watched some of the table games and didn't have a clue what was going on.
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Old 07-08-2010, 08:18 PM   #4808
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I had such a fun day! (not) I noticed my elderly sick and dying cat had some odd fur on his back so I examined it to find a real bite. The evil extra cat attacked him yesterday (I heard some complaints) because I made him stay inside due to the excessive heat. So when I get ready to pack him up to go to the vet, the extra cat comes in limping and with a very sore paw. Now I have to take 2 to the vet.

The vet shaved the old boy and revealed a nasty looking wound. Not deep but it looks like his skin is not healing. Couldn't find the source of the evil cat's wound so we concluded the old boy got one claw in him I finally get them back with tons of medication and bandages. The old boy seemed very uncomfortable and made complaints for a while. He finally went upstairs where he stayed the rest of the afternoon and evening. As sick as the old boy is, this may finally be what does him in if his skin won't heal.

After a good long nap, the evil extra cat wanted to go outside on 3 paws. Maybe I should let him and he won't come back.

It is still hot and nasty here. I do not like this summer weather. I'm all set to get my new (to me) van RV - just waiting on the dealer to get their stuff done.
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Cooler day in N. Carolina. Went on a MC ride through Virginia Beach and across the Chesapeake Bridge/ Tunnel. Had late lunch at the Eastville Inn. Good crab and corn chowder.

Told DW I didn't need the GPS coming back. Went the wrong way on I64 and ended up in a 6 mile backup. About 2 miles in, took an exit and hooked up the GPS. So, we went the other way on I64 and got caught in a backup that way. The 2 hour ride home took.....3.5 hours.

Truck is still at the Ford Dealer. Previous repairs didn't fix the coolant problems, so now they are replacing the head gaskets. They either have to pull the motor, or unbolt and lift the cab of the truck. I'm certain this can't be good.
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Stayed inside all day, too hot to do anything else. Replaced the broken remote control switch for the bedroom ceiling fan.

Played on the computer, read the paper, watched some TV. DW surprised me by trying on her wedding dress, which she often does when the anniversary gets close. I got some pictures, but am expressly forbidden to show them to anyone else, even after touching up with Photoshop.

I told her she hasn't changed a bit in 22 years. She doesn't believe me but smiled anyway.
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Stayed inside all day, too hot to do anything else. Replaced the broken remote control switch for the bedroom ceiling fan.

Played on the computer, read the paper, watched some TV. DW surprised me by trying on her wedding dress, which she often does when the anniversary gets close. I got some pictures, but am expressly forbidden to show them to anyone else, even after touching up with Photoshop.

I told her she hasn't changed a bit in 22 years. She doesn't believe me but smiled anyway.
Aww, that's romantic! If DW can still fit in the wedding dress, that's a major achievement! Happy Anniversary to you both!
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DW and I still consider ourselves skinny people (BMI of 25 for me, and less for DW). However, we used to be "skinnier" when we were married 30 years ago. No way we can fit into our old wedding clothes!
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Went on a 44 mile bike ride, rode part way with tried to keep up with a 67 year old guy that was biking 70 miles. I'm glad I only did 10 miles with him
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Did a ten miles bike ride yesterday by the water with two rest stops for beer. Saw the Olympic Athletes' Village that the city is trying to sell for $1000/sq.ft. - good luck with that!
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A friend of ours opened a new restaurant, so we took a road trip and had lunch there. After lunch we swung by the Salvation Army store and took a look around. I can't believe how many TVs they had and the low price of each one. I have three TVs, so I don't need another one.

If I change my mind, I'll go back on Tuesday because that's senior citizen's discount day. Shoot, I'd save $3 on a $30 TV.
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Shed some tears for my dear old (17) cat who was increasingly bruising and bleeding. End of the road for him and he was in pain so I had him put down and buried him next to his old dog friend. He lived longer than anyone thought he could but this was the last straw. A really good cat that I will miss. RIP.

The rest of day I just did some cleaning up from all the stuff I had out for him. I think I needed a quiet day after all the vet activity of the last few days.
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What did I do today?

Well, happy Canada Day to the Canadians.

I went to work.

Not bad. 1.5 hours there, no traffic coming or going, no people other than the security guards. Could pick the hours to show up, as long as I showed up. Was actually quite pleasant.

Not quite like this on weekdays. I like getting in on weekdays at 7 - 7:30, to beat the traffic and have a good parking spot where my car won't fry. My manager gets in usually around 9 or so unless there's an earlier meeting that's required. But there's a very uncomfortable sensation when I try to leave earlier than she does... (And no, she doesn't come in on weekends any more.)
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Shed some tears for my dear old (17) cat who was increasingly bruising and bleeding. End of the road for him and he was in pain so I had him put down and buried him next to his old dog friend. He lived longer than anyone thought he could but this was the last straw. A really good cat that I will miss. RIP.

The rest of day I just did some cleaning up from all the stuff I had out for him. I think I needed a quiet day after all the vet activity of the last few days.

I am truly sorry about your cat, as a confirmed cat lover myself.
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Tesaje, I am so sorry to hear about your cat.
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I'm so sorry to hear about your kitty Tesaje.
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