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Old 07-11-2014, 08:25 PM   #14561
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Now if I could only get good with fractions. I spend more time doing the math (take the best 3 out of 4 that match) than actually mat cutting and framing stuff.
Walt, have you tried converting the fractions into decimals and using them? It may be easier. (I'm not sure what you need fractions for)

(But then again, I made it through Differential Equations without committing suicide....)
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Old 07-11-2014, 08:52 PM   #14562
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Walt, have you tried converting the fractions into decimals and using them? It may be easier. (I'm not sure what you need fractions for)

(But then again, I made it through Differential Equations without committing suicide....)
It might be easier doing it that way, although I haven't tried it but thanks for the idea, I'll try that way. The issue is that you have to work "from the inside out" to the frame size, which is the rabbit where the glass and mat fits, not the outside edge - the size of the image on the paper, minus 1/8" all around so the mat will overlap the image by a little bit out to the rabbit of the frame. The mat has to hold the picture in place despite changes in temperature/humidity so that's the need for the overlap. The frames are much cheaper if bought in "standard sizes" which don't always come near to the 3:2 aspect ratio of the out-of-camera frame which means some cropping is needed. Sometimes that doesn't matter, sometimes it matters a lot.

Fractions are needed because that's the unit of measurement used by the mat cutter, which is extremely accurate to a 1/16th of an inch if you get the numbers right.

Then there's the aesthetics of the mat border. There's a simple formula I found in one of the books I read - the bigger the print, the bigger the border needs to be or the narrow mat border becomes a distraction to the artwork instead of complementing it. In short, bigger borders are better than narrow ones.

And the industry standard is that the rabbit of the frames are cut to 1/8 inch over the stated size for that expansion/contraction with temperature/humidity but some of the cheap Chinese ones are not so you have to measure carefully and compensate if using those.

And yeah, I'm getting "suicidal" over these damn fractions....
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It might be easier doing it that way, although I haven't tried it but thanks for the idea, I'll try that way. The issue is that you have to work "from the inside out" to the frame size, which is the rabbit where the glass and mat fits, not the outside edge - the size of the image on the paper, minus 1/8" all around so the mat will overlap the image by a little bit out to the rabbit of the frame. The mat has to hold the picture in place despite changes in temperature/humidity so that's the need for the overlap. The frames are much cheaper if bought in "standard sizes" which don't always come near to the 3:2 aspect ratio of the out-of-camera frame which means some cropping is needed. Sometimes that doesn't matter, sometimes it matters a lot.

Fractions are needed because that's the unit of measurement used by the mat cutter, which is extremely accurate to a 1/16th of an inch if you get the numbers right.

Then there's the aesthetics of the mat border. There's a simple formula I found in one of the books I read - the bigger the print, the bigger the border needs to be or the narrow mat border becomes a distraction to the artwork instead of complementing it. In short, bigger borders are better than narrow ones.

And the industry standard is that the rabbit of the frames are cut to 1/8 inch over the stated size for that expansion/contraction with temperature/humidity but some of the cheap Chinese ones are not so you have to measure carefully and compensate if using those.

And yeah, I'm getting "suicidal" over these damn fractions....
I see the logic of using fractions since the cutter is set that way. I'm not much when it comes to working with wood so I tend to think more mechanically as decimals are more common.

Working with fractions is a pain if you have to add or subtract them and doing that with decimals is much easier. But if you need a fraction as the answer, you have to convert the decimal result back to the fraction equivalent. An old friend, a finish carpenter, once told me "measure twice, cut once".
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An old friend, a finish carpenter, once told me "measure twice, cut once".
Even measuring thrice doesn't seem to help.

It's depressing the number of mat boards I've thrown away. But I guess there is a learning curve and I'll get past it eventually.
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And yeah, I'm getting "suicidal" over these damn fractions....
If 1/16" is the smallest division on the cutter, try doing ALL the fractions in 16ths. Then you aren't always trying to figure things like 3/4" minus 3/16" is.... ? ummm ? ...... instead , always working in 16ths, it will be 12/16" minus 3/16" is 9/16".

So just 'think' in 16ths - pretty soon, when you see 3/4" on the ruler, you will be thinking "12/16ths" without converting (heck, it is 12 little lines on a 16th marked scale). It becomes second nature.

Oh yeah: Nice pictures, framing and matting! Very nice.

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Even measuring thrice doesn't seem to help.

It's depressing the number of mat boards I've thrown away. But I guess there is a learning curve and I'll get past it eventually.
I think you have the tough part mastered - the cutting of the matting and putting the whole thing together - not to mention the photography.

Contrary to REWahoo's sig, Numbers is easy. After you've been doing it for a while, you'll be doing it in your head. After doing surveying and woodworking for years, I've got decimals and fractions to the point where the math is the easiest part of anything I build.
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I have created a monster.

DW has decided she likes my photographs and now wants several printed at larger sizes, mounted and framed throughout the house. Today I did "Afternoon Farm" printed at 13x19 in an 18x24 frame and she wants the flower one done sometime in the next week or so. This is to replace the 8x10 farm one I did a while back.

On the plus side this opens the door to a better printer because the one I have will only go to 13x19 (wait 'til she sees it printed at 16x20!) and camera gear. It also means she won't complain about having the dining room table overtaken by the mat cutter and associated gear. When needed, all that can be taken down and go away in 20 minutes or so.

Eventually of course we're going to run out of wall space to hang these pictures. But it's nice that she likes my work and there's some projects that I'm going to like doing. Now if I could only get good with fractions. I spend more time doing the math (take the best 3 out of 4 that match) than actually mat cutting and framing stuff.
Beautiful photos! I can understand why your DW wants more of your work to display around your home.
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I have created a monster.

DW has decided she likes my photographs and now wants several printed at larger sizes, mounted and framed throughout the house. Today I did "Afternoon Farm" printed at 13x19 in an 18x24 frame and she wants the flower one done sometime in the next week or so. This is to replace the 8x10 farm one I did a while back.

On the plus side this opens the door to a better printer because the one I have will only go to 13x19 (wait 'til she sees it printed at 16x20!) and camera gear. It also means she won't complain about having the dining room table overtaken by the mat cutter and associated gear. When needed, all that can be taken down and go away in 20 minutes or so.

Eventually of course we're going to run out of wall space to hang these pictures. But it's nice that she likes my work and there's some projects that I'm going to like doing. Now if I could only get good with fractions. I spend more time doing the math (take the best 3 out of 4 that match) than actually mat cutting and framing stuff.
What happened to her mantra "I don't want to live in an art gallery?"

Obviously the beauty of the photographs converted your DW!
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Went to the Chicago Farmers Market this morning (6:30 ) with my brother and his DW. They've been going saturday mornings for years, bugging begging me to join them for a couple of years now. The variety of fresh stuff is amazing, the best I remember seeing. I'll be back, hopefully next time it won't be in the pouring rain.
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If 1/16" is the smallest division on the cutter, try doing ALL the fractions in 16ths. Then you aren't always trying to figure things like 3/4" minus 3/16" is.... ? ummm ? ...... instead , always working in 16ths, it will be 12/16" minus 3/16" is 9/16".

So just 'think' in 16ths - pretty soon, when you see 3/4" on the ruler, you will be thinking "12/16ths" without converting (heck, it is 12 little lines on a 16th marked scale). It becomes second nature.

Oh yeah: Nice pictures, framing and matting! Very nice.

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Brilliant idea. I did fractional math in my head all day long while working in the lumber industry. Things like (3' 7/8" * 6' 11/12') + (4' 3/4" * 9' 1/2'). After a while you don't slow down at all. ERD50's method makes it very simple.

I agree very nice work. While fractions are a no brainer for me, don't think I could do the rest.
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Brilliant idea. I did fractional math in my head all day long while working in the lumber industry. Things like (3' 7/8" * 6' 11/12') + (4' 3/4" * 9' 1/2'). After a while you don't slow down at all. ERD50's method makes it very simple.

I agree very nice work. While fractions are a no brainer for me, don't think I could do the rest.

I tried to convince math experts that certain kids would learn more math in a shop class than they ever would working out of a book. It would be easy to convert certain projects from fractions to decimals. Not sure how I would do probability. Run a classroom casino?
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Contrary to REWahoo's sig, Numbers is easy. After you've been doing it for a while, you'll be doing it in your head. After doing surveying and woodworking for years, I've got decimals and fractions to the point where the math is the easiest part of anything I build.
I guess it's finally sinking in, I did two this morning with no mistakes. It's just that I haven't done anything like that for decades and it takes a while to relearn it.

And ordered $200 worth of mat board today. Still way ahead of having a frame shop do all this.

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I guess it's finally sinking in, I did two this morning with no mistakes. It's just that I haven't done anything like that for decades and it takes a while to relearn it.

And ordered $200 worth of mat board today. Still way ahead of having a frame shop do all this.

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This could turn into a money making hobby!
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This could turn into a money making hobby!
It could I guess, but I'm wary of turning a hobby into a job. But once in a while for what Dad used to call "beer money" would be okay.
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I'm still here, just spending a lot less time online overall.
Life is good, Mr B and I are still 2 peas in a pod, and summer is here in upstate NY.

I've been doing pretty much the same stuff, playing with my container garden and getting exercise in my living room watching Bugs Bunny. I lost 7 lbs and am keeping it off since Dec 2013. I feel toned and fit and wonderful. I show off my bicep muscles to my veteran buddies and they get skeered.

From Feb to May this year, I tried a short stint as an amateur audio recorder for a startup band. I invested in a TASCAM DR-40 digital field recorder, some kick*ss audio processing software, a tripod and headphones. I did that for several practices until I realized the band just wasn't ready to do a demo CD. Too busy with their own egos instead of building up their musical performance teamw*rk.
In one 3 hour practice session alone, I took 82 takes and never got a full song recorded. 82 takes !!!! So I very nicely told the guys when they were ready to play songs all the way through from start to finish, call me back and we would go forward. That didn't sit too well with 2 of the group, so I never heard back from them. Just as well. I am still searching for a single musician or group who is serious about playing and making a demo CD. It will happen.
I learned a lot and will go forward with the new hobby.

Other than that, I am getting ready to file for my deferred FERS retirement pension that I am eligible for in September 2014 at age 56.
After 7 years of FIRE, I will finally be able to loosen up the budget strings and have some real expensive FUN. WOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Manna from Heaven (via the Social Security Administration...)

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After 7 years of FIRE, I will finally be able to loosen up the budget strings and have some real expensive FUN. WOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Hi Freebird! How exciting to be getting your delayed FERS pension. I can relate to the fun of getting an additional income stream established.
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