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Old 08-11-2006, 04:50 PM   #121
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I'm still internally trying to come to grips with the fact that soon I might not be doing anything "productive."*
You REALLY need to redefine what it means to be "productive". Are you only productive because someone else pays you? I think not. You can be as productive - i.e. produce as much stuff - as you want. You can expend effort on thing you think are worthwhile.

Of course - after decades of working for someone else and doing what they deem important, we can forget what is important to us personally. You might have to rediscover that.

Have you ever known someone to work on a project for the intrinsic enjoyment of working on the project? Or because they thought the result might be worth it regardless of any financial remuneration or what someone else thought? THAT's what financial independence is all about!

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Re: When did you see the light?
Old 08-11-2006, 05:00 PM   #122
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Re: When did you see the light?

Ah yes Romance.

Back in the day - I would have never have left the Space Program for a job making widgets - no matter what the pay.

Who said romance is dead

heh heh heh heh - years passed - I did get older and more cynical - but in the end went via layoff into ER. Work just for money vs ER? - you got to be kidding??
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Ah yes Romance.

Back in the day - I would have never have left the Space Program for a job making widgets - no matter what the pay.
Reminds me of the story of a business traveler having a drink at an airport bar one evening when a guy wearing soiled coveralls sat down beside him. They struck up a conversation and the guy couldn’t help noticing an unpleasant odor coming from the guy’s coveralls. Inquiring what the guy did, he learned the reason for the smell. Seems he drove one of those little carts out on the ramp and serviced aircraft chemical toilets by hooking up a hose and draining the contents into a tank attached to his cart. Sometimes the connection was not perfect and he would get some ‘stuff’ on him as he disconnected the hose.

When asked why he didn’t find a better job, the worker’s response was, “What, are you crazy? No way am I leaving aviation!”
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Old 08-11-2006, 05:59 PM   #124
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You REALLY need to redefine what it means to be "productive". Are you only productive because someone else pays you?
I put "productive" in quotes because I'm using the word in a limited sense, not in an absolute sense. This squirrel has been gathering acorns for over 30 years now. I've got plenty of other interests and hobbies that could (and do) keep me busy and satisfied. It's just that I have these feelings that I should be gathering acorns rather than indulging my other interests...even though I really don't need any more acorns.

Next week and I'm going to the office and suggest reducing to part-time work (I work at home most of the time). Maybe I can wean myself off of this w*%k habit.
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scrinch,
....I feel your pain. I have this innate feeling that I am supposed to be working. I have delayed my ER for a couple of years because of this feeling. Lately I have been making an effort to equate self improvement as being as worthy a task as punching a timeclock. Find something.....physical training, weight loss, learning a new language or skill, making new friends or whatever that could be as important to you in the long term as building a bigger nest egg. Who knows, the entire economy could collapse and our portfolios and retirement plans go down the toilet and we may need to be very physically fit to actually gather acorns to survive.
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Ah, the Joy of Not Working.* Surely you've read it by now.* If not, pick it up and concentrate on Ernie's leisure tree ideas.
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When DW notices me noticing extremely large breasted women she says they are probably not real. I say if they are round and have nipples that is all that matters.
I looked it up, J, and that is not the correct answer. Correct answer is: "You're probably right. I like your much better."
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It's just that I have these feelings that I should be gathering acorns rather than indulging my other interests...even though I really don't need any more acorns.*
Yeah - it's that out-of-control work ethic that we are indoctrinated with since a young age. There's also this nagging suspicion that if what you do doesn't bring in "acorns" it's essentially worthless.

Nothing could be further from the truth. We are each far more valuable than what someone else will pay us for our time or skill.

As an ER, I equate my personal free time as my most precious commodity - not $$$. Seeing things that way can really help put things in perspective. Quality of life is about spending time on things that are most important to me personally (or my close family/friends as an extension of me).

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Re: When did you see the light?

nicely put Audrey.
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Yeah - it's that out-of-control work ethic that we are indoctrinated with since a young age.* There's also this nagging suspicion that if what you do doesn't bring in "acorns" it's essentially worthless.

Nothing could be further from the truth.* We are each far more valuable than what someone else will pay us for our time or skill.
Heh, I suspect that we are getting dangerously close to that pesky "what's the meaning of life?" question*

Without geting too deep into it, I think there is a certain amount of truth to the saying "If a thing is worth doing, it's worth doing for money" (David Gerrold, wasn't it?) After all, if somebody is willing to pay for it, it's an independent confirmation that what you are doing is needed by other people since they are willing to spend money on it.

Unfortunately, many of us eventually run into at least two problems with this adage. First, there are people (and especially organizations) that are willing to pay rather handsomely for work that is intrinsically worthless or worse, as any number of white elephant projects will demonstrate.

Second, there may be other parameters that define the worth of a particular project to you. Sometimes it's durability -- as a computer consultant I have lovingly designed and implemented a number of systems only to see them consigned to the dustbin of history within a few short years. In extreme cases, they never saw the light of day due to circumstances way outside of my control.

And sometimes it's just that the work, although valuable to others, is not something that you enjoy doing. For the last year I have been contracted to do things that are quite valuable to my client. They stand to recover millions of dollars once the software is fully operational and I am the best resource that they have to get the new system up and running. Unfortunately, the work is rather boring and unpleasant Thankfully, I still have choices in spite of my aging skill set, so I am in the process of moving to a new, more interesting contract.
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Re: When did you see the light?

i haven't been on the forum for a while, but i have to say that this is definitely a very interesting thread. thanks for starting it rich.


i learned that saving was important when i started my first job at 15 yrs old. i worked as a deli-counter-helper. from then on, financial independence was my goal. i did not received anymore gifts/allowances/handouts from my parents after my first job either. my parents did not pay for my college education, i think it helped build character in me. i appreciated my education more and valued the freedom that i had from having/being responsible for my own finances. i moved out and was on my own at 20, right after i graduated from college. i was lucky enough to find a fed govt job right out of college. that's when i started 'investing'. it was 2002 and i knew NOTHING about the stock market/mutual funds/ETFs/IRAs....zilch. but i did understand that i had to put in at least 5% in my TSP to get the match as it was pretty obvious that it was like throwing away free money if i had not done so. that first year in 02, i had everything going into the TSP G fund *:P.

at 22, i started reading A LOT of literature on investing, mainly on asset allocation and mutual funds. i would spend 2 or 3 hours everyday at the library reading books/magazines/online forums about investing.

fast forward 3 years later and my retirement investment portfolio has reached 6 figures * *

i think that as an individual, you do need to have a certain mindset/mentality and a certain sense of personal control to be able to 'see the light'.

it was very fun and enjoyable to read your stories.



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