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Old 06-21-2008, 03:42 PM   #21
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Old 06-21-2008, 07:03 PM   #22
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my wife's Texarkana branch didn't have it indoors for a good long while - Wife is gearing up while I hunker down for 2 bathroom remodels...life was so much simpler and cheaper in them old days...
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Sorry for the original post since it turned into a property tax debate for a few states/cities...
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Sorry for the original post since it turned into a property tax debate for a few states/cities...
Never apologize for the forum's ability to hijack one of your threads - it happens almost every time...
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my wife's Texarkana branch didn't have it indoors for a good long while - Wife is gearing up while I hunker down for 2 bathroom remodels...life was so much simpler and cheaper in them old days...
If I ever have to redo the kitchen again, we will start living in the camper in the driveway while the "magic" happens. What a mess...
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I've always heard living in a house while you're remodeling ranks right up there with divorce in terms of stress levels.

Hmmmm. Wonder if remodeling contractors could make some money on the side selling client lists to divorce lawyers...
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Back OT, my property tax is about 1.9%, sales tax is 8.25%, and income tax is 0%. DFW, TX suburbs...
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If I ever have to redo the kitchen again, we will start living in the camper in the driveway while the "magic" happens. What a mess...
Amen. The controlled chaos around here tipped out of the control band yesterday and my wheels came off for about an hour. Everything that used to be in my kitchen cabinets is spread all over the house, my kitchen is still a war zone, and my yard is strewn with little islands of sand, stucco mix and color coat.

I didnt see a date on the OP's report, but it must be old. The median Sacramento home value is listed at ~165k and its closer to $275k right now even after the pull back in prices.
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I didnt see a date on the OP's report, but it must be old. The median Sacramento home value is listed at ~165k and its closer to $275k right now even after the pull back in prices.
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Sperling's Best Places, an online service that lets you compare cities by climate, cost of living, crime rate, and access to cultural and leisure activities, compiled a list of median sale prices for a 2,000-square-foot home sold last year in each of the 51 cities.
Sperling is clearly not one of the "best places" to get this data, and apparently Kiplinger's is living up to their usual standards. A 2000 sq ft home in Honolulu would sell for at least twice this "estimate", pushing 3x in some neighborhoods, and it's well documented by state resale data that the median single-family home price has been north of $600K for at least two years.

It bothers me that the study quotes sales tax in $$ instead of percent without reassuring readers that they've accounted for wildly varying costs of living in all their areas. For example Honolulu's "sales tax" is actually a regressive 4.5% excise tax and the cost of living is roughly estimated to be 20-30% higher than most Mainland cities of comparable size.

If we can spend five minutes machine-gunning holes in their data from across the nation, what does that imply about the study's overall quality?

I haven't seen a good "tax-friendly states" ranking since Bloomberg Media ditched their "Wealth Management" magazine. It's been at least two or three years now.
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Midpack: This comes courtesy of Want2retire some months ago:

http://www.jpaulknight.com/investing/wealthfriendly.pdf
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I haven't seen a good "tax-friendly states" ranking since Bloomberg Media ditched their "Wealth Management" magazine. It's been at least two or three years now.
I don't really think you could do a "good" and relatively accurate one unless it accounted for a lot of different lifestyles and personal situations. In particular I see a function of three primary inputs:

* Higher income or lower income?
* Big/expensive house, small/cheap house or renter?
* Spendy or very thrifty/LBYM?

There are some other minor variables, such as how pension income is treated, how investment income is treated, how personal property is treated and what senior tax breaks may exist state by state. But IMO, these top three are the big ones.

A state which might be good for retirees with *one* set of inputs from these three variables may be a terrible choice with a different set.
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Here's the original 2003 article - it is out of date which explains the wrong data I hope.
Where You Stay = What You Pay - Kiplinger.com
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