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Old 12-01-2012, 03:45 PM   #181
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Apart from the shoveling/driving in snow and ice, it's a lot easier to add layers when you are cold than it is to strip to less than naked when it's too damn hot.
Boy ain't that the truth! I'll take 20 vs 90 any day.
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Old 12-01-2012, 03:52 PM   #182
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I'll take 20 vs 90 any day.
Me too...especially if they look like Megan Fox!!
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I quite enjoy a 90 degree at the beach, especially when the humidity is low. Give me a palapa, a cold beer and some binoculars...right now the ocean water temp is about 86 degrees. Warmer than most pools.
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Apart from the shoveling/driving in snow and ice, it's a lot easier to add layers when you are cold than it is to strip to less than naked when it's too damn hot.
Um, that's why they make air conditioners.

I've always disliked cold weather and still prefer the original retirement plan of putting the snow thrower in the back of the pickup truck and driving south until people started asking what that machine was for. All I have to do is convince DW.

I've tried multiple layers to the point where I can hardly move, polar thermals, thick hats/gloves and all the rest. It's still too darn cold.
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I've tried multiple layers to the point where I can hardly move, polar thermals, thick hats/gloves and all the rest. It's still too darn cold.
Reminds me of Ralphie's little brother in "A Christmas Story".

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Its hitting mid 80s here during the day, low 60s at night. Perfect!
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I quite enjoy a 90 degree at the beach, especially when the humidity is low. Give me a palapa, a cold beer and some binoculars...right now the ocean water temp is about 86 degrees. Warmer than most pools.
I don't think I've ever been at the beach with low humidity. How is that possible?

OK, maybe right after the passage of a strong cold front with north winds still blowing, but in that case you wouldn't hit anywhere near 90 degrees.

It doesn't take much to get that saltwater into the air.....

Hmmm - I guess it's Puerto Vallarta. Never along the US Gulf Coast or Atlantic, or Pacific even (where the water is never that warm).
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I've tried multiple layers to the point where I can hardly move, polar thermals, thick hats/gloves and all the rest. It's still too darn cold.
Plus, it takes forever to get ready to go out, then more time to take it all off again once your back inside. Wears me out...
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Plus, it takes forever to get ready to go out, then more time to take it all off again once your back inside. Wears me out...
Plus it takes a good hour for your shoulders to relax from the up-around-the-shoulders cold weather hunching.
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Plus it takes a good hour for your shoulders to relax from the up-around-the-shoulders cold weather hunching.
Not only that, but the wind gets so bad (around here, anyway) that no matter what you do, you look like an insane monster in a Vincent Price movie when you get where you're going!
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I don't think I've ever been at the beach with low humidity. How is that possible?
Unlike the gulf, the Pacific breezes lower the humidity. Anything around 60% or below is very comfortable. Right now it is about 68% with a breeze.

In the sun it can get hot. We were installing some electrical connections on a friend's boat on Friday, and the sun was hot. But as soon as we sat in the shade, the breezes cooled us off.
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You mean you don't like mid-summer? ...

I wor*ed in Gothenburg (Göteborg) for more than a few years (traveling there several times a month - still miss the Toast Skagen).

BTW, I'm with you; I perfer the cold climate (with a decent summer) and hate constant heat (yes, I lived in Texas/Florida)...
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Apart from the shoveling/driving in snow and ice, it's a lot easier to add layers when you are cold than it is to strip to less than naked when it's too damn hot.
I've lived in my share of hot & cold climates, and one advantage of the human body is that it can adapt to both. I grew up in a home where winter meant thermostat settings in the 60s. I used to frolic & gambol in Pittsburgh & Colorado winters and felt perfectly fine with layering and all those other cold-weather survival techniques.

I'm much happier in a tropical climate. It may seem "too damn hot" for the first year, but by the second year the human body is quite content. The more time you spend outdoors in either climate, even with layers and shade hats and other shielding, the faster you adapt. But once you've adapted to living in a warm climate, there's no goin' back to the cold ones.

Another advantage to a tropical climate: we don't have to use energy for heating or cooling. We've lived a year with our thermally-efficient renovations, and frankly the house is kinda cold these days. But it was great in August & September.

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Unlike the gulf, the Pacific breezes lower the humidity. Anything around 60% or below is very comfortable. Right now it is about 68% with a breeze.
Like he says, tradewind cooling.

It's interesting to watch visitors & locals on Hawaii beaches. The visitors are all sprawled out in the sunniest spots, slathering on sunscreen and baking away. We locals are all back under the trees or the pavilions, or even pitching canopies.

Hawaii is nowhere near the humidity of Texas, but when my father visited Hawaii from Colorado he was always commenting on how humid it felt... and going to the beach was out of the question for him, even though Colorado gets far more UV exposure than Hawaii.
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I'm much happier in a tropical climate. It may seem "too damn hot" for the first year, but by the second year the human body is quite content.
When in Riyadh I didn't go into the swimming pool until the water hit 100F.
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When in Riyadh I didn't go into the swimming pool until the water hit 100F.
Exactly. Out here I'm whimpering whenever the water temp dips below the mid-70s. I just spent $60 on a long-sleeve high-neck 2mm neoprene rashguard, and I sure hope it does the trick.
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I've lived in my share of hot & cold climates, and one advantage of the human body is that it can adapt to both. I grew up in a home where winter meant thermostat settings in the 60s. I used to frolic & gambol in Pittsburgh & Colorado winters and felt perfectly fine with layering and all those other cold-weather survival techniques.

I'm much happier in a tropical climate. It may seem "too damn hot" for the first year, but by the second year the human body is quite content. The more time you spend outdoors in either climate, even with layers and shade hats and other shielding, the faster you adapt. But once you've adapted to living in a warm climate, there's no goin' back to the cold ones.

Another advantage to a tropical climate: we don't have to use energy for heating or cooling. We've lived a year with our thermally-efficient renovations, and frankly the house is kinda cold these days. But it was great in August & September.



Like he says, tradewind cooling.

It's interesting to watch visitors & locals on Hawaii beaches. The visitors are all sprawled out in the sunniest spots, slathering on sunscreen and baking away. We locals are all back under the trees or the pavilions, or even pitching canopies.

Hawaii is nowhere near the humidity of Texas, but when my father visited Hawaii from Colorado he was always commenting on how humid it felt... and going to the beach was out of the question for him, even though Colorado gets far more UV exposure than Hawaii.
I don't think it ever gets to 90 degrees at the beach in Hawaii, right?

Trade winds or not, it was always humid at the beach in Fiji. I suspect it was because we were so much closer to the equator.

LOL - I never quite think of Hawaii as tropical. I know it's inside the Tropic of Cancer, but it's so much cooler than any other Pacific island I have visited, and so is the water.
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I don't think it ever gets to 90 degrees at the beach in Hawaii, right?

Trade winds or not, it was always humid at the beach in Fiji. I suspect it was because we were so much closer to the equator.

LOL - I never quite think of Hawaii as tropical. I know it's inside the Tropic of Cancer, but it's so much cooler than any other Pacific island I have visited, and so is the water.
Here is a comparison right now. Granted it is nightime in Hawaii:

honolulu vs puerto-vallarta - Wolfram|Alpha

Could not get it to publish results. Basically the temperature and humidity are both lower in PV right now.

http://www.wolframalpha.com/share/cl...427edohovvv7nl
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Being a Hoosier transplanted to Texas, I'll take 2-3 months of Texas heat to 3-4 months of Indiana cold...

It is possible to dress adequately for the cold, but day after day of dragging out into the cold/dark, crunching through frozen/thawed/refrozen slush, gets really old really fast.
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I don't think it ever gets to 90 degrees at the beach in Hawaii, right?
The air temperature? A few days a year.

The sand temperature? Every day.

The water temperature? Never!

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LOL - I never quite think of Hawaii as tropical. I know it's inside the Tropic of Cancer, but it's so much cooler than any other Pacific island I have visited, and so is the water.
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