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I think RV should be allowed only for retired (or semi-retired ) people. Full-time workers can't possibly make good use of an RV.
Just in case you hadn't noticed (yet), there are lots of full-time workers that live in RVs (full time or part time). Insurance adjustors, real-estate developer staff, traveling nurses, commercial construction workers, military contractors, all sorts of contractors, sales people.

Some of these workers fill up the available parks in areas where there is a development boom. You couldn't even find an RV spot near Beaumont a couple of years ago due to the gas boom. Many of the less expensive (and usually tight) RV parks are full of these folks.

Most recreational RVers figure out really quick whether a park caters to working folks or recreational folks. It's some of those "working folks" RV parks that sometimes are very unappealing.

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OK. I should have said "recreational use of RV". I stand corrected.

PS. Wait a minute. That's the R in the RV.
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OK. I should have said "recreational use of RV". I stand corrected.

PS. Wait a minute. That's the R in the RV.
That's right! I guess the working folks are just using "trailers".

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Im not sure Im reading this chart correctly. Does it mean that I could buy a 6 year old RV, travel the country for a year and then sell it and only lose $2500-$3000 from what I originally paid (assuming its well maintained)
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Yes, but remember this chart represents an average of what you should expect based on history and things do change. RV prices dropped steeply during the double whammy of high fuel prices followed by the market crash. For a year or so you probably couldn't have sold at all, much less at these prices.

That said, under "normal" circumstances if you owned a reasonably well-thought of brand and you sold it yourself rather than as a trade in or on consignment, your statement above is correct.
Lots of work finding one that has been treated all gentle like, keeping it up to snuff, and then selling at the right time the right way, etc. and so on.

Maybe this is one of those lifestyle issues - to own a house or to rent, etc.

But, and since this was supposed to be a thread about why RV'ing sucks, I have to say I keep looking at that depreciation chart and thinking to myself - all that evaporated money would have bought a lot of nights in some nice hotel rooms.

Hyatt's Summerfield Suites have fully equipped kitchens, wifi or high speed cable internet, 24 hour fitness, convenience store, etc, and so on for about $75 a night.

Yep, I could buy me a bunch of them nights with that money, and not ever have to worry about having my hotel room towed if it breaks down.
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Maybe this is one of those lifestyle issues - to own a house or to rent, etc.
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But, and since this was supposed to be a thread about why RV'ing sucks, I have to say I keep looking at that depreciation chart and thinking to myself - all that evaporated money would have bought a lot of nights in some nice hotel rooms.
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Hyatt's Summerfield Suites have fully equipped kitchens, wifi or high speed cable internet, 24 hour fitness, convenience store, etc, and so on for about $75 a night.
Yep

BUT . . . . Can you get a Hyatt room right on Lake Coeur d'Alene? I mean right on the shore as in 15 feet from the water's edge. Where you prepare and serve yourself a leisurely dinner followed by a glass of wine while watching the sun set over the early autumn sky. And the next morning you wake up, grab your bike, and go explore the incredible Trail Of The Coeur d'Alene's bike trail which is only 100 feet from the door of your RV.

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I'm still working at mega-corp. We bought this trailer 2nd hand (LBYM!). We are trying out the RV life and learning what we enjoy, what we don't enjoy, and getting everything in place for our upcoming early retirement.

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BUT . . . . Can you get a Hyatt room right on Lake Coeur d'Alene? I mean right on the shore as in 15 feet from the water's edge. Where you prepare and serve yourself a leisurely dinner followed by a glass of wine while watching the sun set over the early autumn sky. And the next morning you wake up, grab your bike, and go explore the incredible Trail Of The Coeur d'Alene's bike trail which is only 100 feet from the door of your RV.
Oh! Oh! Lake Coeur d'Alene is one of the most beautiful places in the mainland/lower 48 United States. Just having a RV enhances one's chances of even being aware of such beauty let alone seeing and experienceing it.
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I have to say I keep looking at that depreciation chart and thinking to myself - all that evaporated money would have bought a lot of nights in some nice hotel rooms.
Absolutely true.

As we RV types have said repeatedly on these threads, buying an RV is rarely a cost-saving alternative to other means travel. It is not a hobby/lifestyle that you can cost-justify when compared to air/car/hotel travel and I don't think any of us are trying to give that impression.*

For me, owning an RV is one of the reasons I built a nest egg for early retirement. Even an LBYM type occasionally recognizes there is some spending involved in certain types of recreation. I choose to spend on RVing, not on golf, motorcycles, or other pursuits.

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Maybe this is one of those lifestyle issues - to own a house or to rent, etc.
Remove the "Maybe" and we are in complete agreement.

* Being a full-timer, Audrey may have numbers to refute my assertions. But for those of us who live in stick-built homes and RV part time, it is not a cost-saving hobby.
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But, and since this was supposed to be a thread about why RV'ing sucks, I have to say I keep looking at that depreciation chart and thinking to myself - all that evaporated money would have bought a lot of nights in some nice hotel rooms.

Hyatt's Summerfield Suites have fully equipped kitchens, wifi or high speed cable internet, 24 hour fitness, convenience store, etc, and so on for about $75 a night.

Yep, I could buy me a bunch of them nights with that money, and not ever have to worry about having my hotel room towed if it breaks down.
Nobody tries to claim it's cheaper to travel by RV when you pay for an RV (other than a super good deal or one that doesn't depreciate).

The thing is, those nice hotel rooms just don't equate! They don't have wheels!!!!! That is what makes all the difference. It really does. That is everything.

And they aren't "your" room with your stuff - but belong to someone else. It's a rental.

I don't care how nice a hotel room is. It is fixed to a spot, and I have to pack and unpack my stuff in and out and drive there and deal with someone else's "place".

And with the exception of major tourist areas, most hotels are set up for business travelers and that is a completely different environment.

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BUT . . . . Can you get a Hyatt room right on Lake Coeur d'Alene? I mean right on the shore as in 15 feet from the water's edge. Where you prepare and serve yourself a leisurely dinner followed by a glass of wine while watching the sun set over the early autumn sky. And the next morning you wake up, grab your bike, and go explore the incredible Trail Of The Coeur d'Alene's bike trail which is only 100 feet from the door of your RV.
Yep, that is what is it all about!!!!!

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Oh! Oh! Lake Coeur d'Alene is one of the most beautiful places in the mainland/lower 48 United States. Just having a RV enhances one's chances of even being aware of such beauty let alone seeing and experienceing it.
What completely hooked us when we rented for the first time 3 years ago was getting to camp with a view out the RV door of the Great Sand Dunes. After that stop I knew we would be buying within a year.
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Okay, maybe I was pulling yall's chin whiskers just a bit.

I was actually once on the other side of this conversation. Two former bosses were the office RV fanatics after evolving from trailers, to bigger trailers (and huge trucks) before finally buying huge RVs. For years, I had to listen to the two of them having endless conversations with anyone who would listen about how great their experiences were.

A few years after I had moved on I went back and asked for some advice about RV'ing. What I didn't know then was that they had both given it all up. Their advice was "don't do it". Their argument was the same thing I said in my previous post. I countered with "all my stuff in my own little house that goes everywhere", which they admitted had some appeal. But they both said that after having done it for years that, "all that money would have bought a lot of nights at a lot of nice hotels in the same places". Which was followed by what they thought was the ultimate counter to the idea: "In RVing there are only two kinds of people - those that have been towed and those that will be towed." They didn't give a lot of details about the towing experience, it almost seemed like it was too traumatic to go into.

But they did follow up that final comment with a complicated litany of all the mechanical things that can go wrong, and the absence of a single mechanic employed in the RV industry who knew "his ass from a hole in the ground". Apparently, there were some bad experiences there.

It is a lifestyle choice, and to me it sounded like there was the potential for more hassle than I wanted and not such a great utilization of the cash.

But it sounds like you guys are all enjoying the heck out of it, so I'll leave you alone now, and won't re-invade the RV space anymore.
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That is how we got into RVing - the ability to live within such beauty.

We were already doing quite a bit of wildlife photography, and doing the car/motel thing (which was getting old, fast).

To visit Brazos Bend State Park, an incredible wildlife park, we had to stay in some dinky motel in small town with limited facilities (restaurants), and STILL drive 18 miles down smaller farm roads, with no way to get into the park before the front gate was unlocked around 8 a.m. - well past prime photography hours.

And so many beautiful camping sites at the park! Right there! It was obvious that if only we had something to camp in we would be so much better off. (had tried tent camping again a year earlier and decided too much trouble!!!!)

Until then, we hadn't seriously considered getting an RV. Frankly, most of them looked quite unappealing to us, and we didn't want anything big. But we did discuss what would be the minimum requirements - enclosed, hard walls, bathroom, fridge and microwave/cooktop, AIR CONDITIONING!

Didn't do anything for quite a while, but that planted a seed in our mind and made us more observant about what people were pulling down the road. About a year later we saw someone pulling a Casita over Wolf Creek Pass. Thought - hmmmm, something like that might work. They stopped at the summit and we went over and talked to them. They told us our 4Runner could easily pull such a thing and where they were made.

Tons of research and 6 months later, we ordered one and took delivery in early 2003.

That opened up a whole new world. It wasn't just the incredibly more convenient access to wildlife at the State Parks. I discovered that I just loved the whole camping experience. Being out in the wild, the early morning bird song, the quiet dark nights, eating out at the picnic table, having my comfortable camp chair and lounging at the campsite reading or snoozing and generally relaxing. And then whenever I wanted, just hop up, pull on the hiking boots and go for a nice long nature ramble. I thought I had found heaven! Oh yeah - and DH was taking a LOT more wildlife photographs. Heck, most of the time the wildlife showed up right in our campsite, we didn't have to go looking for it. And staying somewhere all day for several days you would find a lot more opportunities - discover bird nest sites, or particularly good locations for wildlife, etc. Things that just aren't possible if you are commuting from a motel.

And so after a year and a half of great fun camping with the Casita, we decided to ditch the house, get a bigger rig, and live this enjoyable lifestyle full time.

And we have returned to Brazos Bend State Park time and time again. In the tiny trailer, and in the monster DP "rolling condo" motorhome. Fabulous place, but only one of many, many state and federal parks we have enjoyed immensely over many years now. It just seems like such an incredible privilege to actually be able to LIVE in such a place for a week or two. I don't think I'll ever get tired of it.

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I'm surprised Audrey hasn't countered with "Been there, done that, got the T-shirt..."

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Who cares what the local RV crowd is doing? There is no rule that says you have to do what they do. An RV is simply an apartment on wheels. Move it where you want and do what you want once you get there . . . that can include everything from attending a symphony to backpacking in the wilderness. What you do is entirely up to you.

We spend our winters in sunbelt parks. This winter, we were in S Texas for about 2 months, and then came to Florida for the remainder of winter. Looking at heading north around mid-April.

Most of these parks offer activities every day in the "season". Cards, board games, local bus trips, even cruises. Eating is always a big player in the activities.

We do very little activities. I"m learning to play guitar, and the park we stayed at in S Texas had a "Jam Session" for amateur musicians every Friday. I went a couple times before Christmas, and it was painful. Gospel and Christmas songs mostly. Not the type of music for me. Each session ended with dessert and soft drinks for everyone.

I know we pay extra for this stuff, but its' hard to find a good park that doesn't have the extras. In the summer, its pools and playgrounds.

I would never go to the "Pot Luck" dinners. One of my previous jobs was an installer/repairman for a big phone company. I've seen the inside of people houses.
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I would never go to the "Pot Luck" dinners. One of my previous jobs was an installer/repairman for a big phone company. I've seen the inside of people houses.
Are you saying the term "Pot Luck" refers to where you may find yourself sitting if you have the bad luck of eating the wrong dish?
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I'm surprised Audrey hasn't countered with "Been there, done that, got the T-shirt..."

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Yep, that's the downside. But the fact is that fancier and bigger your RV the more likely to have the negative experience of major repairs. If you keep it to a simple, not-too-heavy trailer (if good quality), you're not likely to experience that much trouble.

Part of the "cost" of going fulltime is that you have to have a large enough RV to make fulltiming comfortable. With this then, comes a lot more maintenance/service headaches, especially since it is getting 24/365 use!

So the moral of the story is - keep it simple! (If you can! )

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