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Old 03-24-2010, 10:14 AM   #261
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I don't care how nice a hotel room is. It is fixed to a spot, and I have to pack and unpack my stuff in and out and drive there and deal with someone else's "place". Audrey
A few years ago I was sailing in Greece on a private yacht for a couple of weeks. As we hopped from island to island, I couldn't help but noticed other tourists doing the ferry/hotel thing. Waiting for ferries and lugging backpacks and suitcases in the heat and humidity. While we had everything on the boat and just moved from anchorage to anchorage/marina. I'm sure it was much more enjoyable.

Having said that, yachts are very expensive and require a lot of maintenance, but RV's would be a lot less in both categories.

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A few years ago I was sailing in Greece on a private yacht for a couple of weeks. As we hoped from island to island, I couldn't help but noticed other tourists doing the ferry/hotel thing. Waiting for ferries and lugging backpacks and suitcases in the heat and humidity. While we had everything on the boat and just moved from anchorage to anchorage/marina. I'm sure it was much more enjoyable.

Having said that, yachts are very expensive and require a lot of maintenance, but RV's would be a lot less in both categories.

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Ahhhh! But there is a very well established chartering business. $$$$ but much, much cheaper than owning one. A great way to go.

I LOVE traveling (recreational travel) by boat. One of these days we're definitely going to do the chartering thing.

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If you have some sailings skills, you can rent with a small group from companies like Moorings Yacht Charter and Sailboat Rental Company - Sailing Vacations | The Moorings

Here's a picture of my son fishing with a beautiful backdrop!



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Yep, know all about Moorings!!! We had our own sailboat for several years while working and I had the Moorings catalog and fantasized about chartering when retired.

BUT

Wildlife photography got in the way (more practical on land), and then the serious RVing really got in the way.

But we are still young (still in our 50s) and so (God willing, knock on wood) we have plenty of time to get into traveling by boat.

I just love traveling on a small boat on the water - as long as I'm not out in rough water.

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(had tried tent camping again a year earlier and decided too much trouble!!!!)
I think this illustrates how differently RV minds work compared to regular minds. I see a tent camping kit with cooking and cleanup kit, and a nice weather proof tent as something that can be stored in a basement or a spare closet, needs little maintenance, and can be carried on one's back to places where no one else is camping if that is an issue. No insurance needed, investment at retail $500-$1000 and very long uage life. And when you pull out your vintage gear, people are impressed rather than appalled.

That a giant $100,000 maintenance hungry machine might be simpler takes this into a whole new dimension.

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I think this illustrates how differently RV minds work compared to regular minds. I see a tent camping kit with cooking and cleanup kit, and a nice weather proof tent as something that can be stored in a basement or a spare closet, needs little maintenance, and can be carried on one's back to places where no one else is camping if that is an issue. No insurance needed, investment at retail $500-$1000 and very long uage life. And when you pull out your vintage gear, people are impressed rather than appalled.

That a giant $100,000 maintenance hungry machine might be simpler takes this into a whole new dimension.

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Try backpacking in a refrigerator, satellite dish, blender, and a latte machine... your fellow campers might really be impressed when you fire up the blender to make margaritas for the gang to go with the bacon-wrapped hot appetizers and the Superbowl on the bigscreen...
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I think this illustrates how differently RV minds work compared to regular minds. I see a tent camping kit with cooking and cleanup kit, and a nice weather proof tent as something that can be stored in a basement or a spare closet, needs little maintenance, and can be carried on one's back to places where no one else is camping if that is an issue. No insurance needed, investment at retail $500-$1000 and very long uage life. And when you pull out your vintage gear, people are impressed rather than appalled.

That a giant $100,000 maintenance hungry machine might be simpler takes this into a whole new dimension.

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Sure, tent camping is low maintenance and inexpensive. But tent camping is not that comfortable and very time consuming at the campsite. If you are camping to do something other than just camping, it gets in the way. All the cooking on the outside camp stove, dealing with coolers (which have to be kept in the car out of the way of critters) and ice, no AC, no convenient appliances, walking to the toilets and showers. Fun if all you are doing is camping (especially with family and/or friends). But if you are trying to do stuff such as getting that early photography shoot in - it's just impossible (you mean I can't just plug in my coffee maker?!?!?!).

Besides, you don't have to spend $100,000 to get an RV that significantly increases the comfort and convenience of camping. You can be well set up on about 1/10th that amount.

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As long as the folks in the big rigs stick to appropriate areas or, if in an area shared with campers, don't run the generator or park so they block the view, everybody can be happy.

DW and I think that RVer's and campers (tents or small pop-ups) can co-exist nicely. But once in a while our confidence in this is shattered when someone finds a way to cram a large motorhome into a spot amongst campers where they turn on the generator, hang lights everywhere, play music through the six zillion watt stereo system and party away endlessly. Sigh.......

We usually avoid this possibility by tenting at water access only sites. Or, with the new hard sided pop-up we're picking up Monday, plan to stay as much as possible where the big rigs won't fit.

We're campers, not RVer's. But we can definitely understand the appeal of literally having your home with you everywhere you go.
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As long as the folks in the big rigs stick to appropriate areas or, if in an area shared with campers, don't run the generator or park so they block your view.
I can't speak for others, but I only park in the spot I'm assigned when camping and generally have no say in whether that spot blocks anyone's view. As an example, I paid a little extra to reserve a lakeside spot at a COE campground in May. I'm pretty sure one or two of those camping behind us will have their view of the lake partially obstructed by our RV. Of course they had a chance to reserve the same spot I did and chose not to do so. Should I always reserve a place "in back" so you can see better?

When it comes to running the genset, I don't recall ever doing so in a shared campground, even though the rules at many do allow it during certain hours of the day. I agree the noise is a nuisance.

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... hang lights everywhere, play music through the six zillion watt stereo system and party away endlessly. Sigh.......
OK, I see your problem - you didn't get invited to the party!

Seriously, I couldn't agree more that the type of RVing you describe can make the experience miserable for everyone with the misfortune of camping within earshot. Not my idea of a good time.

Next time you see that sort of behavior, be sure to go over and say hi to Audrey.
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Awwww, after I posted that I wondered if you or Audrey would take offense. I would never for a minute think you or Audrey would be inconsiderate.

I was really talking about big rig RVer's who like to "camp" and sometimes frequent campgrounds, such as National Forest Service sites, which tend to be dominated by campers. No assigned spots, first come, first served. No water, sewer or elect at the sites. But they're self-contained, ready to party and HERE DEY COME! Rocking and a rollin'! Generators rumpling. Lights strung from tree to tree. Maybe still drunk from the weekend they just spent parked in the infield of a NASCAR track......... Ugh.......

I do agree with you about the "being invited to the party part." The last time this happened, we had arrived at the campground via the Current River and were doing the minimal camping thing since everything we had with us came along in our kayaks. We were pooped after a long day of paddling and were delighted when we found the campground to be deserted. We made camp, had dinner and were sitting in solitude, leaning against a tree listening to the gurgling of the nearby rapids when "THEY" arrived. It was kinda disgusting. But you know, if they had at least invited us over to partake it would have helped. I mean, after all, we were already basking in the roar of their generator, their bright lights, music and loud mouths...... The only booze I had with us was some peppermint Schnaaps to go in our hot chocolate. A manhatten would have been nice!
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Yeah, one of the problems with camping/boondocking on NFS land is the lack of any enforcement of the rules of behavior and common courtesy. We stay primarily in state parks, COE parks, and commercial campgrounds which, for the most part, helps avoid the "party-hearty" crowd.
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We were cruisers, not RVers, but I think there is a lot of overlap. I wholeheartedly agree that full-timers have an entirely different experience. You have everything with you. If it gets cold, you have your warm clothes and hot chocolate; if it is rainy, you have your books and DVDs. And as I have said ad nauseam, you don't have expenses adding up at home.

I can't resist posting one of our own waking up in wonderment photos. Here is Third Age anchored in Ingram bayou:
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Not a sign of humanity in sight, but we read the N.Y. Times with our morning coffee thanks to magic of a cell phone tethered to a lap-top. (Sailboats typically have big battery packs, so you can enjoy modern conveniences without disturbing peaceful surroundings with a genset.)

This is what I would ask anybody contemplating a major RV: are you a worrier? We are, and it detracted from our cruising experience. We were never comfortable leaving the most expensive thing we owned riding at anchor in a place that we did not know well while we explored onshore.

We came close to losing the boat twice while trying to navigate poorly marked inlets, and thinking about it still gives me the shudders.

Even with a brand-new boat we had a lot of breakdowns: water pumps on the genset and air conitioners, windspeed transponder (fixed by RayMarine under warranty, after I retrieved it from the top of the mast.) Mysterious electrolysis problems, on and on.

RVing is different, but there must be similar worries. RVs can be just as expensive and complex as cruising boats, so if you are inclined to fret about why the genset sounds a bit different tonight, then you might be in for trouble.
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Yep, know all about Moorings!!! We had our own sailboat for several years while working and I had the Moorings catalog and fantasized about chartering when retired. BUT

Wildlife photography got in the way (more practical on land),
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Most beautiful place I've been on this planet (and only accessible by boat)
greanadines - Google Maps

It's in the Grenadines. The 1st Pirates of the Caribeen had a scene filmed, where the captain was left on a deserted island...it was on Petit Tabac.

The whole area is less than 20 ft deep and protected by a coral reef. The snorkeling is amazing. The underwater photography is amazing!

Six people on a 38' sailboat is relatively cheap and lots of fun.

BTW, just north Grenada has an exclusion area know as Kick-em Jenny, an underwater volcano. You can't float over it as it has zero buoyancy and so the vessel would just sink rapidly! Weird places on the high seas!

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ISeriously, I couldn't agree more that the type of RVing you describe can make the experience miserable for everyone with the misfortune of camping within earshot. Not my idea of a good time.

Next time you see that sort of behavior, be sure to go over and say hi to Audrey.
Not us! We don't do lights or noise. We don't even have noisy pets! (no pets). We often don't set up furniture outside - or if we do we tend to put it away at night. We are very tidy.

Hmmmm - I notice lots of lights, do-dads, and noise makers on the "less expensive" trailers people like to use at recreational campgrounds. More so than the big rigs. Not to mention the sprawled out massive spread of stuff as far as the eye can see from pop-ups and tents - although this latter amuses the heck out of us. We love to see families having fun camping even if they have 100 things spread out across the ground. It's a hoot!

But a lot of loud music blasting? Ugh! That, fortunately, is very rare. We've noticed most campers considerate about general noise levels.

We are often chased indoors at night if a lot of smoky campfires are lit. Ick! That's OK - we understand that families consider that to be an essential part of the camping experience!

But if I block your view - too bad! I paid for the camp site and have to park in on the designated parking surface. Many campgrounds have separate facilities for larger rigs versus smaller campers or tent camping. We use the larger (more expensive) facilities where possible - especially for the higher amperage hookups which usually does a good job of segregating large versus small rigs.

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Yeah, one of the problems with camping/boondocking on NFS land is the lack of any enforcement of the rules of behavior and common courtesy. We stay primarily in state parks, COE parks, and commercial campgrounds which, for the most part, helps avoid the "party-hearty" crowd.
Yeah - we also completely avoid areas that don't enforce quiet rules. We don't feel safe staying in areas that are poorly patrolled or allow all night loud partying.

Fortunately, most state and COE parks and some Fed parks are rigorous about enforcing rules and don't tolerate loud partying RVers.

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Thanks E86S54 and Independently Poor for sharing some of your "RVing on water" stories!

Yes - I expect very similar to cruising, in general.

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I'm really not reading a lot of why RVing sucks in this thread. I'm trying to decide if I want to do a van conversion and wanted to hear about the downside. All I get is more and more stories about how great it is.
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I'm really not reading a lot of why RVing sucks in this thread. I'm trying to decide if I want to do a van conversion and wanted to hear about the downside. All I get is more and more stories about how great it is.
Maybe the mods could change the thread title to "Why I think RV'ng doesn't suck" ...?
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