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Old 02-07-2007, 11:33 AM   #81
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I don't know about the tidal wave, but NPR had a story that the initial concerns were caused by snap shot readings of the current, and more detailed, continuous readings found that it varies in speed so much day to day that they don't suspect there is any real change yet. Basically, those snap shots happen to give a false impression of slowing, but continual readings show it slow, speed up, slow again, etc.
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Old 02-07-2007, 11:36 AM   #82
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So what you're saying is that the gulf stream is the 90 year old driver of the oceanic world?

Has the left blinker been on for the last 300 years?
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Old 02-07-2007, 11:37 AM   #83
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And it keeps scraping the fender on Greenland!
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Is there actually a climatologist in the peanut gallery? Is there anybody who is not a scientist who has sorted out the peer reviewed studies? Which political agenda has the most to gain or lose from propagandizing the commentary on the science one way or the other? Who is going to pay the penalty for the mistake either way?
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Is there actually a climatologist in the peanut gallery? Is there anybody who is not a scientist who has sorted out the peer reviewed studies? Which political agenda has the most to gain or lose from propagandizing the commentary on the science one way or the other? Who is going to pay the penalty for the mistake either way?
Why throw up Red Herrings? - The World's scientists agree that it is a problem and it needs solving! I don't think we need anyone here to second guess them! :
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Is there actually a climatologist in the peanut gallery? Is there anybody who is not a scientist who has sorted out the peer reviewed studies? Which political agenda has the most to gain or lose from propagandizing the commentary on the science one way or the other? Who is going to pay the penalty for the mistake either way?
There is a lot of good, very readable information at the US Environmental Protection Agency web site:

http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/basicinfo.html

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For over the past 200 years, the burning of fossil fuels, such as coal and oil, and deforestation have caused the concentrations of heat-trapping "greenhouse gases" to increase significantly in our atmosphere. These gases prevent heat from escaping to space, somewhat like the glass panels of a greenhouse.
Greenhouse gases are necessary to life as we know it, because they keep the planet's surface warmer than it otherwise would be. But, as the concentrations of these gases continue to increase in the atmosphere, the Earth's temperature is climbing above past levels. According to NOAA and NASA data, the Earth's average surface temperature has increased by about 1.2 to 1.4F since 1900. The warmest global average temperatures on record have all occurred within the past 15 years, with the warmest two years being 1998 and 2005. Most of the warming in recent decades is likely the result of human activities. Other aspects of the climate are also changing such as rainfall patterns, snow and ice cover, and sea level.
If greenhouse gases continue to increase, climate models predict that the average temperature at the Earth's surface could increase from 2.5 to 10.4F above 1990 levels by the end of this century. Scientists are certain that human activities are changing the composition of the atmosphere, and that increasing the concentration of greenhouse gases will change the planet's climate. But they are not sure by how much it will change, at what rate it will change, or what the exact effects will be. See the Science and Health and Environmental Effects sections of this site for more detail. . .

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Why throw up Red Herrings? - The World's scientists agree that it is a problem and it needs solving! I don't think we need anyone here to second guess them! :
what's to solve ? stop burning fossil fuels. you go first :-)
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I decided to split this topic into CFL and LED Lightbulbs as there was a lot of good info regarding the different technologies.

Light Bulb discussion has its own thread now.
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what's to solve ? stop burning fossil fuels. you go first :-)
Just try to tell 3 billion Chinese and 1 billion Indians that thay can't have two cars like North Americans! How likely do you think that is?

Unless and until humans can reduce their numbers and birthrate, in the long run anything we do is futile.

Anything else is science fiction. I wish it were otherwise, but it ain't so. I am concerned about my children's future.



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