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Old 08-06-2018, 10:25 AM   #41
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Chicago Magazine has a great story in trauma doctors' own words. An incredible read that crosses over on the violence problem.



What Trauma Docs Know | Chicago magazine | August 2018



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These shootings all happen in the south side and west side ghettoes. Wouldn’t want to visit there, much less live there. But the violence has no effect on my life in Chicago. Possible exception: Might slow down emergency room service at my favorite hospital. Still, I’ll take my chances, because our doctors are worth the inconvenience.
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Old 08-06-2018, 11:53 AM   #42
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These shootings all happen in the south side and west side ghettoes. Wouldn’t want to visit there, much less live there. But the violence has no effect on my life in Chicago. Possible exception: Might slow down emergency room service at my favorite hospital. Still, I’ll take my chances, because our doctors are worth the inconvenience.
Agree mostly, except for the fact that as a citizen you are paying for most of that violence in one way or another through the costs to the health and rehab system.

I lived on the Far North Side and only heard a gunshot once. Crime there seemed to be no different than where I am living now. The biggest difference was I became very away of petty crime, which was common (pickpocket, etc.) and to this day take measures to avoid being an easy victim. Many of my friends call my behavior silly. Example: I don't like it when people walk behind me. I break my cadence or take a turn when I feel eyes are staring at me.
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Many of my friends call my behavior silly. Example: I don't like it when people walk behind me. I break my cadence or take a turn when I feel eyes are staring at me.
I've read interviews with 'reformed' muggers regarding their choice of victims.....inattention on the part of the mark is of the key triggers.
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Old 08-06-2018, 03:48 PM   #44
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I saw a news story a while back that the military (Marines, I think) is sending their surgeons to Chicago to get practice on gunshot and knife wounds.
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We considered it. Then discarded the idea. Three reasons....healthcare, too far from an international airport, and no Costco.
+1 for airport and healthcare. We lived in a small town when I had an emergency health situation a few years ago. "Oh, that specialty is not on call on Sunday-we will need to airlift you to (25 miles away) regional health care" says the ER doc. 40 minutes and $21k (for helicopter ride) later, a specialist finally saw me. Could of died during that time...
Within a year we were living in a much larger area with great hospitals (and specialists on weekends...)
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I saw a news story a while back that the military (Marines, I think) is sending their surgeons to Chicago to get practice on gunshot and knife wounds.
Do those Marine Docs qualify for combat pay?
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Hold on long enough and the thugs will all kill each other. But unfortunately they are like The Phoenix and out of the ashes comes another murdering thug.
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I saw a news story a while back that the military (Marines, I think) is sending their surgeons to Chicago to get practice on gunshot and knife wounds.
IIRC there are no Marine doctors (they use Navy docs), so it was probably Army docs, or corpsmen.
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I would be happy to live in many places including other countries, but DH is firmly rooted here in our small town. I don't really know why, as it seems I have more friends here than he does, but there it is. I do love living in a small town and as long as I get to travel some, am content. I briefly lived in a city (Houston) but didn't really love it. It took forever to get anywhere (29 minutes to get to work even though I chose the closest acceptable apartment to my work- 7 miles). I hated the random traffic jams, but liked all the different kinds of restaurants.

Our town is now home to both of us having lived here 21 and 30 years. We'll never be considered "natives" though our kids are. People are kind and it was easy to fit in. There are medium sized cities with good healthcare to either side of us- 45 min and an hour away. We like to cook at home, and don't love going out to eat, so that isn't too much of a downside. Violence and crime are extremely low. Cost of living is very low- which is one of the reasons we get to retire soon. I love gardening, kayaking and boating which is easy to do here, but I suspect I'd have different hobbies if I lived in a more urban area. To each his own.
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Hold on long enough and the thugs will all kill each other. But unfortunately they are like The Phoenix and out of the ashes comes another murdering thug.
Read Geoffrey Canada's book "Fist, Stick, Knife, Gun" for an inkling of how violence rules some of our country's subcultures.
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