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06-30-2009, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Want2retire
So, I think boss shopping isn't necessarily helpful. Outlasting a negative boss situation is a very satisfying experience, though.
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I won't bother with the details, but my 32 year career has seen very good and very bad bosses. Though the bad ones were tough to take during their tenure and I polished up my resume, I never really took steps to leave keeping my focus on my long term, knowing they wouldn't be around forever. My approach has paid off handsomely, and some of the bad ones are no longer employed. It takes longer than I'd like, but more often than not in my experience someone catches up with the bad ones eventually. Sometimes you have to leave a bad situation, but it's not always the best direction. Sometimes waiting them out is best for numero uno, as gruesome as it can be in the shorter term. And ironically I learned useful things from everyone of them, even if it was 'what NOT to do' from some of them.
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06-29-2009, 09:24 AM
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Let's dissect this. If someone doesn't like chicken salad sandwiches, they shouldn't eat them for lunch whether they are retired or working. If I want to complain about my gall bladder (which was removed 15 years ago), I would do so at work if I am at work.
That would reduce the argument to " working till you drop is a heck of a lot better than playing crappy golf at the country club".
I would suggest that we all should have the opportunity to pursue our dreams sometime before we die, and retirement is a good time to pursue them. Who is to say that golf is an unworthy dream?
Work involves doing what you must do to earn a living, whether you happen to feel like it or not. If someone prefers work to pursuing their dreams, then maybe they need to do some more introspection and self questioning about what their priorities really are.
If someone's work and their dreams coincide, more power to them. But I think that is not generally the case and when it isn't, retirement is not only justified - - it is something that we owe to ourselves.
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07-04-2009, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Want2retire
Let's dissect this. If someone doesn't like chicken salad sandwiches, they shouldn't eat them for lunch whether they are retired or working. If I want to complain about my gall bladder (which was removed 15 years ago), I would do so at work if I am at work.
That would reduce the argument to "working till you drop is a heck of a lot better than playing crappy golf at the country club".
I would suggest that we all should have the opportunity to pursue our dreams sometime before we die, and retirement is a good time to pursue them. Who is to say that golf is an unworthy dream?
Work involves doing what you must do to earn a living, whether you happen to feel like it or not. If someone prefers work to pursuing their dreams, then maybe they need to do some more introspection and self questioning about what their priorities really are.
If someone's work and their dreams coincide, more power to them. But I think that is not generally the case and when it isn't, retirement is not only justified - - it is something that we owe to ourselves.
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Fabulous post Want2Retire!! You've got it down, and you're not even retired yet!
It always seems to me that folks who think retirement is nothing more than a life sentence of dull, meaningless and unfulfilling activity are really exhibiting a shocking lack of imagination.
Audrey
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07-04-2009, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Want2retire
If someone's work and their dreams coincide, more power to them. But I think that is not generally the case and when it isn't, retirement is not only justified - - it is something that we owe to ourselves.
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Originally Posted by audreyh1
Fabulous post Want2Retire!! You've got it down, and you're not even retired yet!
It always seems to me that folks who think retirement is nothing more than a life sentence of dull, meaningless and unfulfilling activity are really exhibiting a shocking lack of imagination.
Audrey
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...never mind, we (Audrey & I) already had this (heated) discussion. We're not 180° apart, but we're not on the same plane...
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If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and and never will be. Thomas Jefferson
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07-04-2009, 07:14 PM
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...never mind, we (Audrey & I) already had this (heated) discussion. We're not 180° apart, but we're not on the same plane...
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Sorry if I stirred something (heated) up! It was not my intention at all. My intent was just to express some "Rah! Rah! Retirement!" sentiment. 
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07-04-2009, 07:53 PM
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In any event, I hope we can all agree that whether or not we believe "early retirement" is the Holy Grail, achieving financial independence to the degree that allows one to retire is a very good thing whether we want to retire or not...
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"Hey, for every ten dollars, that's another hour that I have to be in the work place. That's an hour of my life. And my life is a very finite thing. I have only 'x' number of hours left before I'm dead. So how do I want to use these hours of my life? Do I want to use them just spending it on more crap and more stuff, or do I want to start getting a handle on it and using my life more intelligently?" -- Joe Dominguez (1938 - 1997)
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07-04-2009, 02:29 PM
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That would reduce the argument to "working till you drop is a heck of a lot better than playing crappy golf at the country club".
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I'm thinking even fans of golf would have a hard time disagreeing with this one... 
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06-29-2009, 09:32 AM
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Now I am hungry for a chicken salad sandwich but I gave up chicken. 
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06-29-2009, 09:35 AM
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I'm no golfer. But I'd rather learn to be a really bad golfer, country club or not, than be an empl*yee anywhere.
OTOH if I can make a buck at my leisure, in a nice non-demanding enterprise of mine, i'd do it. Fat chance of that.
Though selling off unused crap valuable stuff from my vast collection on Craigslist or Ebay comes fairly close to low effort $making. Takes care of coffee and donuts.
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06-29-2009, 11:33 AM
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
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Doo-doo, ca-ca, poo-poo...
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06-29-2009, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by HFWR
Doo-doo, ca-ca, poo-poo...
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And good old Number Two!
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"Hey, for every ten dollars, that's another hour that I have to be in the work place. That's an hour of my life. And my life is a very finite thing. I have only 'x' number of hours left before I'm dead. So how do I want to use these hours of my life? Do I want to use them just spending it on more crap and more stuff, or do I want to start getting a handle on it and using my life more intelligently?" -- Joe Dominguez (1938 - 1997)
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06-29-2009, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by HFWR
Doo-doo, ca-ca, poo-poo...
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You said, it, Buddy!
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"You think it sounds good until you do it,"
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Been retired nine months, he is right, it is not a good idea, now it sounds like an excellent idea.
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"It's a disaster. Wives and adult children aren't waiting around waiting for you to grace them with your presence."
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Disaster schmaster, call it anything you want, still sounds excellent to me. I see those kinds of folks on the old schedule, after 6 p.m., thank you.
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would-be retirees should scope out what they want to do
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Huh, I don’t even understand this one. That’s the whole point of RE, you can do what you want, planned or not.
Sorry, I couldn’t read any farther, the idiot blogger started using the “W” word (W*rk) repeatedly.
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06-29-2009, 02:05 PM
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from the article..." Doing nothing isn't an option. In fact, it's a bad plan. Experts don't disagree about that."
Darnit, I was just perfecting the art.
Oh well.... 
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06-29-2009, 03:42 PM
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from the article..." Doing nothing isn't an option. In fact, it's a bad plan. Experts don't disagree about that."
Darnit, I was just perfecting the art.
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Obviously the author never read Nord's the fog of work.
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06-29-2009, 03:50 PM
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Wives and adult children aren't waiting around waiting for you to grace them with your presence
Reminds me of a corny joke I saw the other day in a magazine: A newly retired guy was quoting his wife who said. "He retired. We have half the income and I have twice the husband. And I'm not wild about either."
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06-29-2009, 04:02 PM
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Ahhh...now you are a great pal! Let me think it over.......
The back woes will vanish, but...ummm...nah, it's not worth it. No pain, no fun gain..... 
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06-30-2009, 08:31 PM
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I have heard of people who quite their jobs and was dissatisfied with all of these activities: cycling, reading, watching TV, chilling out at the beer garden, going shopping, or going for a walk. At the time I was 27 or 28, and I was shocked. What could be more fun than having all the time world to train, race, and recover like a professional bike rider and still have time left to watch TV and read books?
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07-01-2009, 11:45 AM
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I think someone needs to take this guy's crack pipe away. All these years I've dreamed of playing crappy golf and was even willing to settle for a municipal course. Now he's trying to ruin it for me. If only I could find a way to raise enough money to join the country club.
Oh, wait, I know... I can sell my gall bladder.
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07-01-2009, 08:35 PM
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Obviously the author never read Nord's the fog of work.
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I think Marshall Goldsmith is a good writer, but he essentially lives out of airplanes and frequent-flyer lounges in between doing standup for thousands of people and getting to tell execs how to fix their screwed-up behavior. Why would anyone want to retire from that?
He won't retire until he's dead the flight attendants notice that he didn't return his seat to the full upright position.
And in his defense, I don't have to write on deadline...
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07-01-2009, 08:53 PM
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I think the article says something to Marshall Goldsmith's (who is "a consultant to executives") clients. I don't know if it says anything to most of us.
Generally, people who love their jobs should continue working. Lots of executives love their jobs (or, at least could love a job along the same lines as what they do). They have power, prestige, and perks. Why end a deal like that just because you can afford to?
If they want to continue working, but at a slightly different job, they might take advice from a consultant who provides a 7-point, action-orientd, to-do list. Sounds like a good executive approach to me.
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